Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Simplified Zakat Guidance Zakat on Defined Benefit or Contribution Schemes, and State Pensions
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The speaker discusses the topic of pensions and retirement age, explaining that pension funds are a collection of money used for investment. They also explain how to calculate retirement savings and use it for 401k plans. The speaker explains how the defined contribution scheme works to prevent individuals from losing their retirement salary and retire at the age they need to retire. They also mention a defined benefit scheme that allows individuals to receive their salary until their retirement age and retire at the age they need to retire. The speaker encourages individuals to read books and take on Islam to get more knowledge and motivation.
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Firstly I want to speak about a lot of people are asking
especially when it's Ramadan they asking about zakat.
Now in terms of zakat, one of the issues that a lot of people ask
about is zakat on pensions.
There's people have pensions from their work. So they asked about
Zakat and pensions. And the reason why there's a confusion about
whether you should pay for zakat and pensions or not, is because
your pension money is locked up until you're 5960 62, whatever the
age is, so you can't take it. Until then.
You could in many cases, but they discourage you. So they charge you
a huge penalty. So then there's no point taking it. So what we have
to understand is a pension. To understand this muscle, what you
have to understand is that what is a pension, a pension is not some
kind of magic case or collection of money. It is money that has it
is a collection of money, right? A sum of money that has been put in
a type of investment. A pension is just an investment. It could be
multiple types of investments, you have to check your own pension as
to what the investment is in. Is it in government bonds? Is it in
stocks and shares? Is it in real estate? Is it just in a high yield
account? What is it some things of these are haram, other things are
halal. So number one, you have to check whether your in your pension
is in a halal investment or a haram investment that will depend
on the type of investment. Okay, that's clear. So far, pensions are
not all one. They're based on investments and investments are
halal or haram. Now, even if it's a haram investment, you want to
switch it to a halal investment. Usually, if your company is
providing you have the option your company pension will not be
administrated by them. Usually they have a third party separate
pension company, organization that will administer your employer's
pensions, they give you access, you can log in, you can check,
don't leave the money where they've put it, you need to make
sure that out of the different options they have you choose the
halal option, and you say put my money into that option.
If you haven't, then the money that has been taken from you to
put in and whatever money your company put in, because what
happens sometimes is your company will say you put in money from
your salary, and we're going to double that money. So that's extra
money, they're gonna give you beyond your salary, that money is
halal for you. That's not haram. Right? That money should be halal.
However, if it's haram investment, then any proceeds and profits on
that would be haram. So you don't take those, you can take your
capital. And that's how much you have to be suckered on as well.
Right? So you only pay zakat on the halal element of it, the rest
has to be given in the path of a given back, but you can't give it
back then you give it to the port with no intention of reward. So if
you manage to get it into a halal investment, then your pension will
be halal. And all the money in there, whatever it is got 10%
increase 20% increase, whatever it is, all of that is yours, and all
of it is accountable. The capital of your money was accountable. So
your profit is accountable. If it's Hala is accountable, you
don't have to give it away. It's halal. Now, the fact is that you
can't take it right now. Because you can't pull it out. It's locked
up. Right? So you're not obliged to pay zakat on it straight away.
But you are obliged to pay zakat for each year eventually. So what
you should do is you should every time your zakat time comes, you
should check your investment, your pension, how much is it worth and
note down? The percentage of this occurred, I have other clips that
you can understand how to calculate the cut on stock and
other things, which I'm not going to talk about right now. Because
we'll get confusing, right? Exactly how to calculate the cut.
That's a different issue. But you calculate, use the cut and you
note it down. If you've got money you can pay and if you don't, you
can wait until you get all of the money then you can pay for all the
years. Why should you pay money even though it's locked up? Why
should you pay zakat eventually, it's because it's your money. It's
working for you every year, it's working for you it is invested,
it's hopefully going to increase. So it's your money. Right? Of
course, if you're going to pull this out right now prematurely and
pay 40% 50% fee, then you only pay on what you actually receive.
That's if you're going to do that. But most people do not do that.
They just leave it in there and they benefit from it afterwards.
So that's how you pay these this investment. This pension I'm
speaking about is what you call this investment I'm speaking about
is what you call is the standard normal investment if you're not in
a government job. normal jobs is called a Defined Contribution
Scheme. It's called a defined contribute
Using scheme, you can find out from your investment from your
pension. If you're if you work for TfL, or you work for NHS, or you
work for the schooling, education, government, or government,
government organizations, they have a different type of of
pension. That one they call a defined benefit one. What does
that mean? They'll take your money,
you give a percent you allow them to withhold, what they're doing is
they're withholding a percentage of your salary. And they're going
to promise you that after you retire for the rest of your life,
we're going to give you this amount, how much based on the
number of years you worked.
And something else, some other factors, that's how much then
until you die, we're going to look after you and we're going to give
you what they call a deferred salary. So your salary will
continue after you even leave the job. And when you retire, based on
how much you put in, and how many years you've been with them, and
so on and so forth. How what do they do with that money? We don't
know.
We're not responsible for that. One. We're not responsible to
check whether it's halal or haram. Because we can't do that. They
don't give us access. They just withholding salary. It's like if
you work for me, right? If you work for me, and I don't pay you
this month, you've done the work but I don't have money I don't pay
you. This will also give you an excellent annual Zakat is due this
month. You don't have to pay zakat on this amount. Because any work
you've done until you don't receive the money that's not as
accountable.
That's not as accountable, okay, in even normal situation. So in a
defined benefit scheme, they're withholding your salary a portion
of your salary, and they say we're gonna give it to you later,
according to this, according to this particular formula. So that's
why you don't have to pay zakat on that for any of the years until
you actually receive the money after you retire, then if it
calculates to be accountable at that time, you will pay zakat,
otherwise you don't have to worry about any of the years, those
types of pensions are very difficult to come by now, most
companies don't do them because they're too expensive for them.
Only government organizations provide that kind of a pension,
it's a very good pension, because you keep some of your money, and
they add a lot of money on top for you as well. And then you get the
money, then it doesn't matter what they're investing in, as you said,
we don't even know what they're investing in. So hopefully that's
clear in sha Allah, about defined contribution schemes, which are
most companies and defined benefit schemes, which are usually
government companies. And that's how you pay zakat on them. So on
define contribution you pay every year, and you're responsible for
where it's invested and defined benefit, you just have to wait
until you get your salary. And then at the end after you retire,
your leftover salary, your retirement salary, and then you
pay zakat as an if that is due at that time, not for all of the
years. So inshallah that's clear. So another question regarding
pensions is about the state pension, which is the government
pension that people receive after having worked in the country for
an X number of years? Is there's a cap on that, and what is the
situation for that. So the way that works is that every month and
every year that you work, the government tells your employer to
deduct a certain payment, that certain amount is paid into your
account, which essentially is supposed to accumulate, the
government does what it does. And we don't need to go into what the
government does with that. But essentially, it's something which
is obligatory, it's something which you don't have a choice in,
right. And it's illegal to avoid that, usually. So that's why it's
something that is cut from your pay. And it is something that the
employer contributes to, and that then all accumulates together. And
eventually you get that as a sum, right? You get that as a sum. When
when you when you retire a retirement age, you get the state
pension is there's a curtain that was just like I mentioned the
other day about the defined benefit scheme, right? This is
very similar to that in the sense that because it was cut from your
pay without you without, you know, you knowing where it's going or
whatever, you know, it's going it's going to the to the
government, but it's something which is obligatory. So you have
no control over that. So you can just assume you never receive
that. So it's not yours until you actually receive it. So when you
receive it, it will be when when you receive it at your retirement
age, when you receive it, it will be like new income that's coming
in. So you don't have to worry about any circuit for all of the
years until you get your retirement age. So if you start
working at the age of 25, or 24, or 20, or whatever it is, and then
eventually you get your pension at the age of 60 or 62 or whatever it
is, right? That is not the cuttable for all of those years.
It's just like new money that's coming in. You just have to basic
art on whatever you have on that year on your card date and you you
have from there, that's the way you will do that. So cinematic
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