Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Prophet Muhammad The First Capitalist Part 1 . Benedikt Koehler

Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera
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The speakers discuss the history and meaning of capitalism, including the use of capitalism as a financial instrument and the concept of "immediate capitalism" used by many people. They emphasize the importance of understanding one's mentality and outlook for future success, as well as the history of the Islamic economy and its importance in shaping society. The segment concludes that capitalism is a reflection of the economy and provides examples of early Islamic innovations.
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I'd like to give you an introduction of learning about

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learning about finance as a Muslim student. And I'd say it's divided

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into two things. The first thing is that interest is not allowed.

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And the second thing is that you have to give 2.5% in the form of a

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charity tax every year. And that's pretty much where it stopped. I

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was speaking to Dr. Benedict earlier on. And he mentioned that

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after he first wrote an article to do with Islam and capitalism, they

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asked him to do it again. Because simply the literature just isn't

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there.

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And slowly, as you start to discover the realities of what is

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some offers, it's a lot more than what we seem to think, you know,

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there is a whole financial dynamic, whole financial world,

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actually. And we'll refer to both both speakers, as I was speaking

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as well to remove the decline in the use of earlier on.

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Islam is a it's a very holistic religion.

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And it tackles finance, a lot more than we seem to think. At the

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moment, I'm writing my dissertation on an economic

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analysis of principles in Islamic finance. And one thing I've come

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to realize is that there is a lot more, without any further delays,

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Dr. Benedict Koehler completed his BA in history, from the University

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of Yale before doing an MSc from City University, and then a

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doctorate in philosophy from the University of Toledo. Dr. Mandel.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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Well, my talk is about capitalism, and what Islam has to do with it.

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So that's about two different things, capitalism, and about

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Islam. And I've been asked, first of all, to speak a bit about

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capitalism, because you don't want to have a talk about Islam and

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then finding out at the end, actually, we don't see that

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connection to capitalism. So let me start talking about capitalism.

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Capitalism, in itself is a very big word. And we use it all the

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time and all sorts of connections, and cotton has all sorts of

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connotations. In fact, this is one of the problems I have with people

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talking about capitalism. Capitalism is used in so many

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connotations. You don't really know what it means anymore,

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because it seems to apply to variously. Anybody who's doing

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business, anybody who invests any market,

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long distance trade, big corporations. And I could probably

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think of a couple of other things. The term capitalism now covers so

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much that it seems to be coming to overlap with the term economics

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generally. And I have a hard time figuring out, well, if capitalism

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envelops everything in economics, it's really a meaningless term,

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and we don't need it anymore. There's got to be a bit about

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capitalism that makes capitalism different from economics, when

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it's not capitalist.

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So there are four people, in my opinion, who told us about

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capitalism, and what doesn't make it different from economics

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generally. And I would like to touch on those one by one there,

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Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Max labour, and Friedrich von Hayek.

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Now, it's one of the problems when people speak about capitalism, and

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say that it existed always, is that the first person that we

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associate with as being an economist of capitalism, is Adam

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Smith, who wrote in the 18th century. So that's about 250 years

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ago. Until then, it seems nobody knew about capitalism, but it

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would have existed. But finally, in 1776, there's Adam Smith, he

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writes The Wealth of Nations. And now we have capitalism. And what

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are one of his key insights? There were many others. But one of those

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is that he said, Well, capital markets are guided by an invisible

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hand, by which he meant that you don't have a government saying

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what prices should be, you don't have any authority, saying, who

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should produce what, you don't have an overall plan for the

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economy, you have what he called the invisible hand. And the

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invisible hand is the multitude of individuals, all of us here with

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our wants and needs and our supplies, who meet up and the

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market sorts it all out. And that's how production tends to

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those and gravitates to those services and products, which

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people want most. That's the invisible hand.

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But, Adam Smith, if you look for the word capitalism, and Adam

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Smith, you won't find it, he never used it once.

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So let's move on to the second big important person, Karl Marx, Karl

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Marx, everybody tends to associate with his biggest book, which is

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about copy talk. So he wrote about capital, he had that notion that

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in a capitalist society or in any society, there is a concentration

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of capital, and that capital is used. And those people who have

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that capital exploit people who do not have any capital, and really

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said Karl Marx, history is a sequence of struggles over

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capital.

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So that's what he said is, is capitalism

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And

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that's how we would see it. Now, his, his analysis is about

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capitalism. But if you read Karl Marx, you'll have a hard time

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finding the word capitalism, because he does use it maybe half

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a dozen times, but never in the way we use it. Now, it's

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incidental, it appears in a couple of sentences. So he didn't really

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use capitalism.

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Now we get to the 20th century. And there you have the person who

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put the ISM into capitalism, that was the founder of sociology, Max

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viva. Now, what did Max Viva do? And what did Max Viva right? That

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makes him so different from Adam Smith, and from Karl Marx. What

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makes him different is that he said, capitalism is a very

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particular way of organizing a society.

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It's a society where people who engage in investment and engage in

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commerce,

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have a very high social status and become role models. And because

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they become role models, whatever they do, tends to become formative

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for society.

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That's his sociological approach. Capitalism isn't just about how

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you do business, and then you go home and do something else. He

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says, capitalism is about how you do business. But when you go home,

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you are still living the way a capitalist does. So to understand

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capitalism, you have to understand the way of life, the mentality,

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the outlook. And then he went on. And he said, Well, where does that

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outlook come from? Well, what capitalists do, they're very

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rational people, they plan, they look ahead, they delay having fun

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right now in favor of doing some really hard work, but it helps

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them have more fun at some later point in the future. So it's an

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entirely sober lifestyle that looks to the future, and looks to

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rewards by accumulating material goods.

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And that attitude didn't exist in history from the very beginning.

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It came about at a very particular moment, it came about with the

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rise of Protestantism.

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Because Protestants have this attitude of being very sober and

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of having the attitude of going to bed early and Early to bed and

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early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise. And once that

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attitude became formative for society, then you have the mindset

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that creates capitalism. That was a very convincing theory. So

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everybody thought, well, now it's an open and shut case. But

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somebody discovered a tripwire because they said, Professor V.

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But this makes a lot of sense, what you're describing about a

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capitalist society, we buy into all of that. But the thing is,

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everything you described already existed in the Middle Ages, in

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places like Venice and Genoa, because they were ruled by

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merchants, and they did a lot of investing, and they got rich that

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way, and that shaped their society. But in Venice in January

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in the Middle Ages, they didn't have any Protestants. So can you

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please explain that. From then on, the reputation of Max Veva started

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to nosedive, because people thought the first bit of his

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theory works, but the it doesn't really match the empirics.

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I now get to the next person who brought the study of CAP took the

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study of capitalism to the neck took it to the next level,

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Friedrich von Hayek. High IQ was somebody who said, I agree with

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most of what my predecessor economists have said. But there is

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something about a society that's capitalist that makes it different

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from any other society. But what makes it really different is that

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it has its essence or its center, its core

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in the market.

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So now a new approach, which has become dominant, came to the fore,

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which is to think of capitalist societies as market economies.

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And like viva, he said, well, but a market economy is one where you

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not simply go to the market and buy and sell without anybody

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stopping you from doing that. But you also then go home and because

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that's what you did during the day and it shaped your working life,

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it shapes the rest of your life.

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That has become a theory which became dominant because it was

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capable of explaining many, many social phenomena that you observe

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in capitalist societies, you associate a society that is based

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on markets with one that is very innovative, that is

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entrepreneurial, and that is progressive and open to new ideas.

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Hyack for many decades, well for several decades, was not at the

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forefront of economic debate, but he then rose to significant

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popularity when his views were taken on by the then Prime

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Minister Margaret Thatcher. So hierarchy and economics

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And Thatcherism often is seen hand in hand. But his legacy is to say

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that there is such a thing as the market, there is such a thing as a

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government. But the two don't really get along very well. And a

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market squeezes out governments and the market and the government

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squeezes out markets, but there is a tension between markets and

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governments.

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So that's where I'm coming from. When I talk about capitalism, I

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adopt the views of those key thinkers. In my view, Max Weber

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and Friedrich Hayek, capitalism is a way of life. It's a way of

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approaching how society is structured. And it thinks of a

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capitalist society as one that has the market as its core social

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activity, and that core activity ripples outward to all other

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social phenomenon.

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So, so much for capitalism.

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Now, what's Islam got to do with that?

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When you talk about capitalism, you tend to think about big

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cities, big companies, big department stores, luxuries,

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skyscrapers and so on. Why? Why do I claim capitalism began in

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Arabia, specifically with Islam? Well,

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the makings were already there before Islam came into being they

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were already there during the Age of Ignorance during Jamelia. Why

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do I say that? Well, because Arabs at that time, were very unique,

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were unique for in two particular respects. They didn't have a

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government. And they were worldwide traders, Arabs, already

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long before Mohammed was born, we're trading in distant places as

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far away as China, and transfer and taking goods and transporting

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them to Europe. So right there, you have something in the jar

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Helia, which Hyack would have been very sympathetic to. It's not the

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absence of the government, which he thought would be a problem, he

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would actually like that because if there is no government to

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enforce the way people live, people have to find ways how to

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get along with each other on their own.

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And the second is, it was a society which lived off trading

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and taking goods from one part of the world to another. So they were

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very outward looking, and they were accustomed to living in

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different legal frameworks that made Arabs in the Jahai Lea very

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different.

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So let's move on to a particular city in Arabia to Mecca. Mecca was

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one of the cities in Arabia in the GI Lea that was a center for

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devotion and for for pilgrims. And when those pilgrims congregated

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and convened in Mecca, they had an opportunity to trade. So religion

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so pilgrimage and trade,

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developed, side by side in Mega long before Mohammed was born.

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It started to take off especially around the middle, mid fifth

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century, when, when a certain cause I started to build

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a protective wall around the Kaaba and said From now on my tribe Kool

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Aid, we are going to manage this place. And it continued growing,

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and kosai had his had many, many descendants. And they branched out

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into different families. And some of them were very distinguished.

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Commercial diplomats, one might say in their own right. One of

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those was a man whose name is known because people generally

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refer to Hashemites as an important branch of our of our

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clans. And that was their, the man who gave the name to Hashemites,

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Hashem. Hashem was someone who did something that was then very new.

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Not only did he go and travel across deserts heading at the head

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of caravans, what he did was, right. Trade was he was a

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commercial diplomat who wrote trade treaties with the heads with

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of tribes through whose areas he traveled, and it went something

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along the lines like this. He said, Listen, guys, instead of you

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giving instead of you trying to ambush us, why don't we have an

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agreement here, you give us some of those goods that you would like

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to see sold on the atom in the Mediterranean, we'll take them to

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the Mediterranean, sell them and when we get back, we'll split the

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profit. How does that sound, saves you a lot of trouble and saves us

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a lot of headache and we all it's a win win situation. And these

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agreements were called the elf. The elf were very important

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because they did something coincidentally, which the Haram in

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Mecca already did. They created a particular area where you that was

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that guaranteed personal property and pursuit of trade. So Hashem

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was another very important person to get after kosai.

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By the time Mohammed was born, Mecca was already a thriving Trade

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Center and caravans going from on the laughs from Mega comprised as

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many as two and a half 1000 camels. So these were pretty big

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businesses that were with division of responsibilities, which were

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already entrained at the time Mohammed was born. Now Mohammed

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will

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was born for an orphan. His father was a caravan trader, and he who

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had died while his mother Amina, was expecting Mohammed. So he

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died. So he, he died at a time when he did not yet have very much

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money and Mohammed didn't have grew up a poor kid.

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But Mohammed had certain immaterial assets, because he was

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a direct descendant, of course, I and Hasheem. So he came from a

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family that had, for several generations been distinguished as

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caravan traders and as commercial diplomats. When he grew up, he

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started out as a shepherd. But he didn't stay a shepherd. His uncle

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Abu Talib arranged an introduction for him to find someone investing

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so that he too could be a caravan trader, which he did around the in

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his early 20s. And in his mid 20s, he married the person who was his

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investor had the job.

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They were married for, I think, about 25 years. So Mohammed, who

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came from a commercial diplomatic family, who came from a family of

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caravan traders, married a caravan investor, and for a long, long

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time had day by day exposure to the mechanics of investing in

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caravans. Now just for a moment, let's just look at these caravans

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I already said, They comprise say, two and a half 1000. camels. When

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you have two and a half 1000 camels setting forth, there's a

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lot of organization that needs to go on, somebody has to decide when

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they leave, you can't have a couple of camels leading first

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leaving first and a couple the next day, and so on. If you want

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to organize it so that they're secure, you want them all to leave

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on the same date. For that to happen, everybody has to equip

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those camels by a certain date. For that to happen, production and

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supply has to be organized. So you have a vertical supply chain,

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which has to be organised in that particular in the city.

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You also have something which is very important for the development

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of capitalism. Somebody needs to put up the money for this, because

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you have to pay salaries, you have to buy camels, and you have to

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make sure that those people who made money by selling and still

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wait for the cat for the caravan to return. What you need is

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somebody to underwrite the risk.

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So already in, in the days of Muhammad, you had what we would

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now call a capital market. You had some people who managed caravans,

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some people who were staffers on caravans, some people who supplied

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the goods that caravans would sell, and some people who invested

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in them. And one such investor was the wife of Muhammad Khadija

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when Mohammed then discovered his vocation and became became a

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prophet is first convert was his wife Khadija. So in Islam, you

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have something that's very unusual for a religion, you have a

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religion where the prophet was an entrepreneur, and were the first

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convert was a female venture capitalist. But that does not

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explain what Islam has got to do with capitalism, that could just

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be coincidental.

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What happens that what the trigger the tipping point for capitalism

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was after Mohammed emigrated to Medina, and started to put his

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vision of an ideal society into practice. There were many aspects

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of his reforms. But I'm just going to stick to two in particular,

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those two relate to market practices. The first is that

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Mohammed started a market in Medina. And when he started the

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market, he announced to his community, this is your market.

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And then he added something which was really key, and let there be

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no tax on it. So he started a market. That's not unusual, but he

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started one that was tax free. So here you have something that's

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economic policy, that's fiscal competition. He's inducing trade

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and attracting trade to his particular market through fiscal

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incentives.

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And there's a second step, that he that is critical, and that is even

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more, that's a seminal importance in the history of economic

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thinking.

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This occurred at a time when there was a famine in Medina. And as was

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customary in at the time, people would expect authorities to fix

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prices for food necessities.

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I should say that it was customary at the time and markets all over

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the middle Middle East for people in charge of communities to fix

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prices for daily necessities.

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But Mohammed on this occasion, when people appeal to him and

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said, Look, our budgets are being squeezed because food prices are

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going up.

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On this occasion, he didn't do what his adherence hoped he would

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do. He didn't set prices. On the contrary, he said, prices are in

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the hands of God

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fixing a price was something which he specifically excluded from his

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remit as leader of the community. This was, in my opinion, one of

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the seminal statements in the history of economic thought. I

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mentioned earlier that Adam Smith said, markets are managed or are

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guided by an invisible hand. Well, Mohammed said that in Medina at

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the time, much earlier, and introduced this not as a

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theoretical concept, but as a practical policy guideline.

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So this was, so these two steps alone, and there were there was a

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whole raft of others of other steps led to the creation of a

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capitalist market. Why do I call that a capitalist market? I just

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want to reiterate that a society there where governments do not

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intervene in entrepreneurs who engage in market market practices.

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Now Mohammed died, and one of the things he said that you can find

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that he predicted that you can find in a society that's

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capitalist is a spirit of exploration and initiative and

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entrepreneurial innovation.

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This is what we see in early Islamic society, because early

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Islamic society had a number of innovations that were completely

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new. Some of those began already in the lifetime of Muhammad. Some

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of those happened later. The first one that I would like to mention,

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I'm just going to mention three.

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The first one is the work of the Islamic charity, Mohammed after it

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was Mohammed who created a new concept of providing public

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welfare. The worker is an institution

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generally would be generally known, the work would be is an

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institution that works like that provides public welfare, and it

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has its own endowment. The first time a work was created was after

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the was a few years before Mohammed passed away. And he set

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up the first work in cooperation with the later Khalif Umar. So

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Mohammed and uma were the first people involved in create setting

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up the first one. Setting up a charity in itself is not an

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innovation. charities have existed since human kind banded together

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in societies. But works are different. Because waqfs are their

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own legal entities, which are ring fenced from interference by

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external sources. So a wax was a seminal financial innovation. That

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one occurred while Mohammed was still alive. The second one

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happened long after he had died. That was monetary reform. One of

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the things Hyack says you can tell how you can tell a capitalist

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society is that they have that they care about stable money and

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see and money that has value you find in Islamic society that

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within 60 years, just over 60 years of Muhammad's death, they

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created a gold coinage and silver coinage, the dinars and the DRAM.

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These were created under in the reign of the Khalif Abdul Malik.

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When Abdul Malik created a gold currency in Islam, that was very

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innovative because it was the first time that a gold currency

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was created outside Europe. And he did this indirect in currency

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competition with the then prevailing gold currency of

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Byzantium. So monetary reform is the second innovation of early

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Islam.

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Then there's a third innovation, the fonedog fonedog is a term one

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encounters if one travels in an Arabic country because it's used

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for hotel or hostel. But in early Islam Fundex also had another

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another purpose Fundex were walled structures where people from

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abroad could bring their goods, store them and sell them. And

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these Fundex were set up and managed by exterra, taught by

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expatriates, principally from Italian cities such as Venice and

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Genoa. So from very early on in Islamic history, you had

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expatriate merchants community who had their own tax privileges, who

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had their own legal protection by local domestic authorities who

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traded and who brought goods into the Islamic empire and brought

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goods from the Islamic empire back to Europe. And the fonedog very

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much functions exactly the way an offshore Trade Center does. It was

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outside it had legal protection by domestic authorities, but it had

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its own and it had its own privileges, but it created

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business and created scope for entrepreneurial initiative.

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So I've given you three exits. So these have been three examples of

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early Islamic innovations work as a means to provide public welfare

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through private

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initiative,

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monetary reform creation of a gold currency to create stable money.

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And thirdly, offshore trade centers the phone book, where

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which benefited cross international trade and promoted

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international trade.

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I now come to capitalism in Europe, you might ask, well,

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capitalism is something that exists all over the world. How did

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it get? How did it get out of Arabia? How did it get out of the

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Islamic empire? Did people just invent their own capitalism then

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later?

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My argument is no, they didn't. All the business people from

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Venice and Genoa, who traded in Boondocks were very alert to what

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they saw around them. And when they came, when they went home,

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they said, when we get home, we're going to try some of this. So the

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promotion of Mediterranean seafaring, by way of convoys,

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which sailed out from Venice and Genoa

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copied, how caravan, the financing structures of caravans, you needed

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people to underwrite them, you needed them to be supplied with

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goods by a certain date, they needed protection, and they needed

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to travel in groups. So they did everything pretty much the way a

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caravan did, only they did it across the sea rather than across

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the desert. Now, you might say, Well, hang on, they probably

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figured that out on their own, didn't they? Well, maybe they did.

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But if they did, why did convoys originate in precisely those

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cities who had trade in the Islamic empire? If the idea

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offered itself equally to everyone, you would have seen

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convoys in France or in Spain, or in England, or in Germany, but you

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don't you see them in the very places where they were Europeans

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were interfacing with the Islamic empire.

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There's another aspect of capitalist society I mentioned

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earlier, Hayek said capitalist societies innovate in many areas.

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Another such area is for example, provision of welfare. And we find

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that in England, the Inns of Court.

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And the earliest colleges were set up as trusts, now, Inns of Court

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and trial and colleges, and copy the notion of the structure of

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madrasahs madrasahs were establishments of higher learning

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in Islamic countries, usually funded by waqfs.

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Now the odd thing is that colleges and Inns of courts were set up by

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the by the very people who had contact with the Islamic empire,

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because they had a base in Jerusalem, the Knights Templar and

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the Franciscan friars.

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If Trust's were something had been something that Europeans figured

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out for themselves, how come they happen in the very places, and

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through the very people who were interfacing with their

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counterparts in the Islamic empire? Doesn't seem to me that it

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seems an odd coincidence.

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And there is the third issue, the creation of a gold currency in

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Western Europe, the first gold coins were minted in Sicily, in

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Genoa, and in Venice, and Florence.

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These are the very cities that had, again, these are, again, the

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very cities that interfaced with the Islamic empire, if a gold

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currency were something that Europeans had thought of

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themselves, why did it happen there and not someplace else?

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So in closing, what I'd say is, capitalism, which began in Arabia,

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then came to Europe, but it didn't, it wasn't a self starter

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in Europe, it was something that came through emulating examples

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set by by Islam.

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So in sum, I got three takeaways.

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The first is

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that capitalism started in Islam. It's the first instance that you

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have a capitalist society, because it was started by a prophet who

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have amongst several other innovations that prices are in the

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hands of God.

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The second takeaway is that in a capitalist society, you see

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continuing innovation. And you see that in early Islamic society, I

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gave you a couple of examples, the walk, monetary reform and the

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fonedog. And the third is that capitalism happened in Europe, in

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precisely those places where Europeans interacted with Muslims.

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So there, it's very difficult to claim that capitalism in Europe

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started in any way other than to exposure to Islam.

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you

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