Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Not Allowing the Wife to Visit her Parents and Family

Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera
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The speaker discusses the cultural practices of marriage in India, where women are not allowed to bring food back and should make commitments to their new families. They also emphasize the importance of collaboration between two families and not allowing women to go out and stay with their new families. The culture should be centered around "back to forest gate" and "back to forest gate", and should allow women to go at intervals and allow them to go at intervals.

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			There's women who get married,
they go and they move over to the
		
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			husband's area, the husband's
house, sometimes, in many cases,
		
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			they're living with their in laws.
Some cases, they're not living
		
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			with the in laws, but they're
living very close to the in laws.
		
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			So essentially, sometimes they go
from one area to another to live
		
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			with the husband's family, she's
making a massive sacrifice. Now,
		
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			I'm still trying to figure this
out. Now, this is a very village
		
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			mentality, I'm still trying to
figure this out. And I haven't
		
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			been able to understand it. Right,
I probably need to do a bit more
		
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			research on this. But in India,
and probably in other places, and
		
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			I don't know where else. But this
is particularly something I've
		
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			seen in the Gujrati community is
that once they say that you bring
		
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			a girl into your family, then she
becomes kind of like yours, they
		
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			don't let her go to her parent or
parents house, which is really
		
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			ridiculous. In fact, that they
really frown upon it, they really
		
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			frown upon it. Now I can
understand that if you're married
		
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			in love, if you've got if you know
if a family here has brought a
		
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			daughter in law from badly
Dewsbury, Birmingham, Leicester,
		
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			whatever, you know, somewhere far,
it's difficult for them to keep
		
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			going back, I can understand that.
But obviously, once in a while
		
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			they can go there, they've got
parents, she wants to see him, you
		
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			know, she wants to see her parents
wants the assistance, etc. Right?
		
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			After marriage, everybody needs to
make some kind of sacrifice, it's
		
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			very difficult to do the same
things that you were doing before
		
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			married marriage, you know, with
your flat friends going out, you
		
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			know, hanging out with them,
whether that be physically hanging
		
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			out with them on Facebook or
WhatsApp or whatever, you have to
		
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			start investing in your new
relationships very important.
		
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			However, this is cultural, to stop
them from going to their parents
		
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			house too often, you know, it goes
so far, that I had one person
		
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			saying that when his daughter in
law, goes to her father's house,
		
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			meaning her parents house and
comes back and bring some food
		
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			from there, they don't even eat
it. Meaning these inlaws don't eat
		
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			it, her in laws don't eat it, the
house that she's now living in,
		
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			they don't eat it. Basically, the
reason why she brings some food
		
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			back is because she has to come
and cook anyway. So she cooks down
		
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			there, uses the you know, their,
their supplies, whatever, and
		
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			they're fine with it. You know,
they're very generous people,
		
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			they're fine with it. But the
parents here will refuse to eat
		
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			from that food, which is
ridiculous. I can understand if
		
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			there's an issue, but you're
making an issue because of some
		
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			kind of culture. It's ridiculous.
They don't allow them to go back
		
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			home. And in some, you know, like,
let's just take another example,
		
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			let's take a look, you know,
locally, let's just say that
		
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			you're married within London. So
you're, you know, you've a family
		
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			has brought a daughter in law from
maybe 20 minutes away, right? 30
		
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			minutes away around London
somewhere, for example, within the
		
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			same city. Now, it's easy to go
now, one thing where there's an
		
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			abuse of the system, and the other
side is where the daughter will
		
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			keep going back to her family.
Right? Like everyday, she's there.
		
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			And she's kind of neglecting her
new family. She's trying to still
		
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			keep her old life alive, right? In
the same way that it was before.
		
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			She's kind of comes back and
sleeps here, right? Or maybe just
		
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			kind of just about each at that
extreme, extreme. And that's
		
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			wrong. Right? She if she's
dedicated to this new family, she
		
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			shouldn't make that her family.
But this new family should also
		
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			not stop her from going there.
Sometimes what these new families
		
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			do is they'll allow it to go you
know that there's an agreement
		
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			that okay, you can go one day a
week, if it's if it's local,
		
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			right, if it's close by 20
minutes, half an hour away, if
		
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			it's close by, okay, you can go
you know, like from here to
		
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			Walthamstow, for example, from
here to forest gate, from here to
		
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			you know, maybe South London or
whatever, you can go once a week,
		
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			once every two weeks or whatever,
but this culture, it dominates
		
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			even religious people, it's
ridiculous, it's a culture at the
		
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			end of the day, there's no harm,
okay? If your in laws are really
		
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			you know, if the, if the girl's
parents are really bad people,
		
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			they're gonna provoke her against
you, I can understand that. But
		
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			you know what, by preventing her
from going by making obstacles by
		
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			making excuses, and not letting
her go, and kind of making it look
		
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			bad, frowning upon her giving her
tasks on the day that she should
		
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			be going there. And the rest of
it, you know, however you want to
		
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			do it, that kind of psychological
torment is going to drive her far
		
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			away, her parents are going to
figure this out, and they're going
		
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			to start feeling bad about this,
that is not the way to create love
		
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			and affection between two
families, believe me, in many
		
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			cases where they are allowed to go
at healthy, you know, they are
		
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			allowed to go at intervals and,
you know, not you know, not like
		
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			every day, they're, you know, the
creates a healthy situation.
		
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			That's the collaboration of two
families. This is like, we bought
		
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			her she's our property now. Right?
And we're begrudgingly letting you
		
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			use it. We're begrudging letting,
that's ridiculous. It's not
		
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			Islamic at all to do that, it
should be completely fine to to
		
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			allow that kind of movement, and a
person should feel good about it.
		
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			This is culture remember, this is
culture to stop them from going.
		
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			Right it is and I've tried to ask
older people that why isn't said
		
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			yes. You know, the only thing they
could tell me right is yeah, that
		
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			is kind of frowned upon.
		
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			But I can tell you why it was
frowned upon. Right? I haven't
		
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			found an expert on this situation.
But this is ingrained, even in
		
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			people who've been in this country
for 50 years, 40 years, 30 years,
		
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			you know, it's ingrained, and it
needs to stop. Because, you know,
		
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			we Alhamdulillah in this country,
in India, okay, you can understand
		
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			that there was poverty, right?
Maybe there was poverty, and if
		
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			you brought, you know, a daughter
or somebody else's daughter to
		
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			your house, for marriage, etc, you
know, you want to show that you
		
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			can look after her. So she's not,
you know, she doesn't have to keep
		
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			going back to a family to get
things etc, etc. Right. But here
		
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			are hamdulillah everybody seems to
be fine, this kind of thought
		
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			process needs to be diminished, it
needs to be obliterated, because
		
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			there is no such thing like this.
So may Allah subhanahu wa taala,
		
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			give us the Tofik to avoid all of
these extremes, and these purely
		
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			cultural things that have no
benefit or basis. You know, one is
		
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			a culture that one is a cultural
aspect that has benefit, and that
		
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			is fine. If there's a cultural
aspect that has benefit and is not
		
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			anti Islamic in any way, shape, or
form, then keep it it's good. It's
		
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			that is what makes us diversified.
And that's what enriches our
		
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			cultures. But when a part of
culture and some frame of mind and
		
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			some, you know, some some kind of
thought process is against it is
		
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			not Islamic, the and there's no
benefit as well. Or it's there's
		
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			no benefit in a new context and a
new situation, then then you need
		
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			to abandon it because it just
creates resentment is no benefit.
		
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			Girls are not like that anymore to
think in that way. So we need to
		
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			really think about that. May Allah
subhanaw taala give us the ability
		
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			to understand this so that we
don't become a volley mean, we
		
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			don't become oppressors without
realizing it. Right? Because
		
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			there's even religious people who
who are doing this working with
		
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			Dawa and will hamdulillahi rabbil
Alameen