Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Introduction to Whitethread Institute
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here for coming. So what we're going to start with is just to
describe where all of this came from. So for some years now, my
intention has always been and this is generally what I
try to do is to look for something that nobody else is doing, it
becomes quite easy to see what somebody else is doing, and then
just replicate that and you do the same thing, which will hamdulillah
is fine, it's good. We need more places, if there's a mother as a
starting somewhere or an island class. So generally, when we're
studying in medicine, if we've got any ambitions and goals, it's
generally we're going to do what somebody else has already done. So
those are the models that outside people are teaching in mockups.
People are now increasingly going into chaplaincy. Some people are
going into university to do a PhD. Otherwise we have mcta. We have
teaching, maybe start a madrasa maybe starts in Ireland class or
analemma class. These are the models that we have out there.
But what we really need to also be thinking is what are other people
not doing? Because I'm sure we're not doing enough. There's a lot
more that we can do. Because we're still a we don't have any solid
structures in place in this community. Our existence in
history in this country is only lasts what 40 years maybe 50
years, maximum 60 years maximum. So we just about the first
generation is leaving us now May Allah bless them all. That's the
way we are so we're not we haven't been here. We're not a very
established community of 100 lights a lot more established in a
lot more other countries where we have Muslims like us who have been
come from other countries that have emigrated there.
So that's why what's very important is for us to try to
identify needs gaps, areas that nobody else is working and try to
do that. This project could not have worked
20 years ago,
maybe not even 10 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, in terms of its full
scope, aspects of it would have worked. The reason is that for
something like this to work, which is a postgraduate issue,
Institute, we are now focusing on
those are the MA anonymous, who have already graduated.
Now, if you look around, aside from university courses, and aside
from if they're in one or two places, for men, there's not much
else and Ireland can do by way of I mean, there's, there's this
diploma in Cambridge Muslim college. But other than that,
there's not much else that is out there that we can do unless you
want to go to work and take another field completely.
So now Alhamdulillah, we have, I think we have a critical mass, we
have enough people.
I think we have enough people enough orlimar
across the board that a place like this would work. Because remember,
if you've got 10 orlimar, in, in a city, not all of them would be
interested in studying further.
People have responsibilities, not everybody, not everybody has the
same ambitions and goals. Not everybody has circumstances and
the time. Some people when they come back, they've graduated, the
parents say you must start working. Because you need to get
married, you need to support a family, you can't stay here for
free anymore.
So some people are forced to work, there are so many people who love
to do the courses they mentioned to us, but they don't, they just
can't they don't have the time to do it. So if you've only got 10
scholars in an area, you can't really do something like this. If
you've got 100, then out of 100, you may get one or two that may
want that may be interested. So you need a critical mass of
several hundreds. That's when you can then say okay, out of several
100 a few percent will come and want to do this.
So a lot of people have said to us, why don't you also start an
Alim course, said mashallah, there's so many other people who
are doing this already? Why should we go and do the same thing again,
let us do something that somebody else isn't doing. So this was an
idea, right? This was the idea. Allah provides ideas, then, of
course, the Tofik has to come London's a very expensive place.
It's not like other towns and cities where you got an idea and
you just take a place for a few 100 pounds a month, you can get a
nice space for rent, maybe even buy an old school or old office
building or all community center as they've done in other I am very
envious when I see that mashallah, you know, like, huge number of
rooms and buildings, and you can do everything in there. And you
can get that in other areas, but in London is cutthroat markets,
people are wanting to develop rather than use it for something
like this.
So that was the idea. Since two or three years, this was the idea. In
fact, this idea started when I came back from American I was in
2008. But then this particular idea, because I was at CMC and
Cambridge Muslim college where they're doing something similar
but they're, they don't teach anything Islamic as such all they
take items, animals, and they teach them proximately 20
different modules on
various different sciences, various different secular topics,
all the way from anthropology to science to history, to feminism,
counseling,
and British history, a number of other things. So it's just to
diversify. So an acronym was a it's got a depth of knowledge, is
just to give them a breadth of understanding of the context in
which they're in the British constant context so that they can
become better there is Inshallah, what we want to do is, we want to
produce produce specialists, because Madonna is a starting
point. They're doing a wonderful job in what they've been able to
create and thus cater towards our communities. So you have either
mother or mashallah graduated from these places, and they are
doing what they are in their local communities, this huge amount of
work going on. We used to come about 20 years ago as a company,
what are they doing? But now mashallah,
if somebody's complaining, then they don't know what they're
doing. And the reason is that your area will only benefit from their
own Ammar if you send your children from your local areas to
go and study, come back and then start teaching. That's why if you
look in London also, you got many different boroughs, many different
local areas, those areas where they've had their own amount go
from the they've had students go and study
And then come back and actually establish madrasahs in those areas
those areas are mashallah well saturated wealth mashallah catered
for. And then you've got other areas that are just next door and
other big Masjid area and there's not much going on there.
So you do have that we do need to go out. So now London, because
we're in the City of London, it has a population of about 8
million out of that 1 million are Muslim. That's not a small number.
That's about nearly 15%
One in eight Muslim around us.
Now just around the east of London, I would say. And even if
we just take London as a whole, we have at least 500 items anonymous.
Altogether. Just in Clapton alone, I'm talking about Clapton,
Stamford Hill.
The last time that we counted this was some years ago, we had at
least 40 to 50 just male or the MA, we didn't even count the
female.
Waltham Forest has approximately that much of just male orlimar
and forest gate, there's no I don't think you can even count the
number.
Just from where we are right now, within about five to six miles,
there are at least six Arlynn classes and six Alima classes.
You've got an Alima class in Clapton. You've got one in
Stamford Hill, you've got Nurul Islam, you've got Marisa to Zara,
you've got up to Elaine masjid, you've got us her Academy. And
you've got a few more days, the shade center, there's a number of
others. So that's seven that just counted right off the top of my
head, right that are within reach. Within 1015 minutes, you'll be
there.
So mashallah wonderful stuff going on.
And then of course, you have numerous other ordermark around
the country.
Because there's lots of other modalities around this is just
talking about our local I mean, you go to Bolton, Blackburn,
Preston, badly, Birmingham, Leicester, mashallah, I don't I
can't even put the number of other men in this country. We're talking
about just minimal conservative estimate of 500 within our local
London area, then can you imagine what we have around the country?
And these are British, British trained, trained in England, I'm
not even speaking about those who came earlier on, you know, our
elders are not even speaking about them. So what do we need to do for
this?
Now,
this is where the whole idea of this institute comes in. The whole
idea of the institute is
that we cater cater for this.
For these Allama, we provide something so that we can start to
deal with a lot of the current day changes. And what you won't have
to understand is that the world has moved on tremendously,
exponentially.
Right? What I mean by that is, in 1952, or so National Geographic
did a hedge, video series hedge photo series. And what they
realized in this, what you're looking at, when you look at this,
you see that there is a,
the, the Jamara, it's about this big, right? It's only about this
big, it's got around boundary around and everybody's they're
going in throwing, you know, their pebbles in there. But it's only
about this, because I'm assuming he's a bit bit higher than me.
That's in 1950 to
19 2001 was when I went for Hutch. That was my first time. And it was
a massive pillow with three floors of access to it. That 52 size had
now become taller. And now if anybody has been recently, not
only has it become taller, it's actually become wider. And it's
about the size of this room now.
How many years has that change taken? Because you know that 1952
the size it was then it was probably that same size for
centuries. For centuries, it was probably that same size.
And then in the last 30 years, 2030 years, it's just become 50
times bigger. If that's not an exaggeration, exaggeration. Why
the world has changed. The means trunk transport means
globalization, ease of communication, prosperity, without
really having substance behind, you know, credit card. Well,
whatever it is. world has changed massively.
We have to run to catch up and this is what the issue is. So
while yes, we've got a responsibility to catch up and
contextualize our situation and respond based on the modern
challenges of the day.
We mustn't allow that.
rushed that stick to be used to beat us about it that you guys are
doing nothing.
Many of us are doing nothing. That's true. But it does take time
to reach this. This. Another reason that I see behind this is
many of us are immigrants, many of the trained or alumni in this
country coming out of the seminaries and Methodists, they
are, they are from an immigrant backgrounds, they still have a
connection to what some may relate, some may refer to as back
home. Now, what that does is that creates much more complication in
our lives. Because in terms of perspective, in terms of the
various dimensions, a person functions in people who are native
to this country who have no connection elsewhere, they don't
have to worry about anywhere else, they just understanding of the
British context and Islam. That's it, they've got two things to deal
with. For many of us, we have to deal with the British context
where we were born, and we brought up the Islamic dimension, the
Islamic context. And then we've got an some kind of still link,
because of our language, our foods, lots of things like that.
So there are a number of differences between us. And a
native English person as such,
it's going to take a few more generations, right for that to
completely smooth and out until a person is going to say they are,
you know, like the South Africans are in South Africa.
Right without losing their faith, inshallah. But that's why it's
complicated. Those are the challenges. I'm not making excuses
for anybody. But these are challenges, and Alhamdulillah.
Now, we do have many Allah Ma, who are rising to the context, the
modern context, the contemporary challenges, but it just takes time
for these things to filter through, come out in the open, and
for others to see it.
So while there's an issue, for sure, a massive challenge,
we need to try to take the challenge by the helm and to try
to deal with it.
So now,
what happens is,
recently, in the beginning of the year, we held that quarter, we
held that program on
career options, just so that when a person graduates from the mother
Assad, they at least have ideas.
The whole point of a careers option was that if you don't know
what are the possibilities,
then you won't direct your studies and your goals towards anything.
But when you have an idea that I want to do this, and I could do
that, then you will study accordingly. And you will create
your dream based on that. If you don't have a dream, you can't get
anywhere.
You have to have a dream to make things work.
And the way to create dreams is see what others have done. That's
one way of doing it.
So we have numerous graduates, I remember one person who was with
me, he said, When I graduated, I had no idea what I was going to
do.
So that needs to be remedied clearly.
Now
mashallah, we've got numerous orlimar, who are sitting, studying
in Damodardas. They come out, but then they get challenged in terms
of what they're going to do.
They have lots of knowledge, but they don't understand the best
ways to provide it. So yes, teaching in McTell is very useful.
That is what creates the nurtures our next generation. I mean, they
we can't, we can't consider that to be insignificant at all. But if
that's what everybody is going to do, nobody is going to do anything
else, and everyone's going to focus on them, then who's going to
do anything else? So in that sense, I believe that there's lots
of graduate or the MA, or the mothers who have a huge amount of
potential to do other things that are needed, but they're doing
involuntary buckling. So it's a miserliness that they are doing in
an involuntary way, because maybe they just don't know where to put
their efforts.
They have the knowledge, but they don't always know the best way to
apply it.
Right. Every scholar should
do something with the potential that they have.
Every scholar should give something back.
Every scholar should become irrelevant.
Now, of course, for that you need practical skills.
Take the knowledge that we have and see how to apply it. This is a
case somebody's inviting you to give a talk in
The Ministry of Justice, some of the Muslim employees, they are
inviting an alum to come and speak.
How many of you would feel comfortable in going and speaking
about
Ministry of Justice? What Is God gonna be? Right? You know, you can
just imagine, if you've had the experience and no problem, let's
go, what's it going to be? You'll want to know. So that's why a lot
of us are being prevented from something like this, because we
just don't know what that entails. Okay, there's an there is a
interfaith program, they want a Muslim scholar.
Tomorrow, we're going to be complaining, if somebody who you
think doesn't represent us, some concerned individual concern,
brother from the community or concern system from the community
was known Alima, Alima, they go, many of us are going to complain
and say, they don't represent us look what they say, look at a
mistake they made.
But then why aren't we there?
Why aren't we there?
Somebody has to do this. Of course, there are challenges in
that whole procedure,
coming out of your comfort zone, some Halal haram issues, all of
these things are there, they are challenges, no doubt about them.
But there's something that we have to chalk out in how to do this.
So
what we have to do is how our knowledge that we have, how do we
develop that into a skill set to be able to apply to the community?
How do we
some of us may think we didn't really work hard enough, when we
were at madrasa, right, you know, I could have done a bit more there
could have done a bit more there, I don't really know, my, my aqidah
as well, I don't really know my self, I've got some issues with
this data or the other. Now, what we have to remember is that if
you've got problems with your source, it doesn't mean that you
can't go and work with the youth, they're not going to ask you about
soft questions.
They're just not going to ask you about them. I remember in Ruby in
the third year, I was doing two hours of extra research on
caffeine, when I could have been now in hindsight, doing that on
Riyadh, Saudi Hinako duty, which would have been a lot more useful
for me today. I spent two hours a day a number of days, so that for
the throughout the year, looking at the commentary of the
commentary of coffee writing out all of these
ale and would you have why the nacworld rule is the way it is,
and I was like, I was so enjoying it at the time. But but now I look
back, unless I unless I want to become a specialist specialist and
teach a specialist course in this topic gets
there was probably a waste of time. You understand it was
probably a waste of time. But that's what I'm saying that even
if you're weak in something, there are ways to come back.
If I'll explain as we go on, there has to be some kind of service
that you can provide,
essentially, on the money to discover their calling. There has
to be a calling beyond the basics that you can do. There has to be
something higher, you must be able to leave a massive legacy behind.
Now look, I don't think I can do youth work. I don't think I've got
the I've got the ability. I've got the patience to deal with that.
I'd get frustrated. I don't think I could do it. I couldn't become a
chaplain.
But there's a lot of other people they could do wonderful youth
work. I mean, one thing I don't I don't know anything about
football. So there's no way I can even break the ice with anybody.
Like I'm talking to a young guy. I mean, many people. Recently I was
with my cousin in South Africa and there was a we had a invitation
eat at somebody's house. There was a 70 year old father of the modern
who had invited us and he sat at the table in front of my cousin.
And my cousin was probably wondering, how am I going to get
through this dinner? The first question that this old man asked I
think his name was Mousavi. May Allah bless him. He said, What
team do you support? It just threw us completely back.
Do I regret not knowing about football? I don't. Right. But what
I'm saying is that I'm just trying to give you an example that I may
not be able to do that.
But I could do something else inshallah.
You may not be interested in academic development, you may not
want to go to university you may not want to teach in a Madras as
such. But you can do youth work, right? You can maybe work in a
prison, you can help to disseminate the dean. That's the
whole idea about this. Find your potential and run for it.
Now Alhamdulillah what Allah subhanaw taala did is that he
literally dropped this place in our laps, we have it for the next
three or so years, three, maybe four, maybe five years.
He'll literally dropped it into our laps, and I was very busy at
the time monitor hisab he managed to you know, he gave us the good
the good news about this place.
And then it was this frantic rush took several months to get this
thing together.
Now, we have this place in sha Allah, and we want to use it well.
So hamdulillah these ideas that had been flying around this need
that was there, we're trying to now bring it to fruition. Now I'm
going to tell you that it's a very ambitious project, we are aiming
for a very high level. And
there's no harm in doing that. We may not get there. But at least as
I've learned from our teachers that when you're studying, you
should aim to teach Buhari, even if you don't end up doing that you
may be teaching hidayah or a tragedy to Saudi Arabia, the Saudi
him if your whole intention was that I'm going to teach in mucked
up and that's all my goal is in life, then that's the whole
direction of our thought and study and effort will be up to that
level only. So this is now in terms of the courses that we want
to hold in sha Allah for the future. Again, being very
ambitious.
And of course, we are open to more ideas. These are just things that
we have been able to garner so far, in sha Allah in terms of
level of importance of how we can roll them out. One of the first
courses we're going to do here is at the hustle is in jurisprudence.
And if
the hustle is in jurisprudence, if the essentially trying to train
people that can deal with the fakie demands of the time,
right? Number two, the hustlers in Aqeedah theological issues. This
is the first this is probably even more important, the first in the
sense because we have so many people leaving the faith
challenged in their faith in terms of what they're supposed to
believe and
atheism and all the rest of it.
The hustles in women issues,
and Alim refresher course, what does that mean? There are so many
other MA and animals who have graduated. And they've then been
out of touch with the solid reading and understanding but they
want to get back now, they now have the they feel that this is
something they need to focus on.
Now unfortunately, the only thing that's available anywhere for
after graduation is a monthly course. That's it. But not
everybody wants to become a mufti, they just want to learn a bit more
sort of refresh, a bit more thick, bit of Hadith, a bit of narrow,
and a bit of aqidah. So that they can get back in touch. Now they're
going to look at it more maturity, maybe they were very young than
and they didn't really consider it to be significant and so on. So
that's an early refresher course. These are additional courses that
we have no, you know, we don't, we're not gonna inshallah be able
to do we're not going to be able to do right now, but this is in
the future, once we have this up and going, Inshallah, at the
hustles phylloxera. We need our own muda ha cesium specialist in
Kerala as a Muslim community to further ki fire to have muda has
seen and specialist in all of these subjects. Right. We can't
always be, you know, bringing people from outside and more
people do come from outside the experts. Sometimes they don't
understand the context here, or there's visa issues, immigration
problems and the world is seems to be a very volatile position right
now. We need to create our own motor houses in the hustle skill.
Hadid is another one in Tafseer. In fact, I think that should be on
top of that list. Right? And the hustle is in history, this is not
really heard of. But this is such an important area because our
history informs our future. And if a person doesn't have that
understanding of what took place, and the various cycles, the ups
and downs, the ebbs and flows, the weaknesses, the strengths, the
victories, the failures, then we don't have enough people telling
us how to go forward, otherwise, then we live in the vacuum of this
time on me.
Then, of course, beyond that, the Hussites beyond all of that, then
you have just how you publicly relate to people. So public
relation courses, public speaking, the number of people with huge
amount of knowledge, but in order to do a good speech that is
relevant.
We're generally taught that a good speech is you find a Quranic
verse, a few Hadith and then you build, it's a lot more than that.
It's about trying to work with the psyche of the people of your
audience, to react with them, look at their body language and react
accordingly. Change your tone accordingly. Use a story when
necessary. Use some kind of emotive language when it's needed,
and so on and so forth. It's an art on its own. So public
speaking, writing and translating.
We hardly have any representatives to get yourself in BBCs thoughts
of the day you know, one of them has about one and a half million
listenership. Another one has the the one about 10 o'clock. I think
that one has about seven and a half million listenership. And the
the thought of the day generally is from a faith based perspective.
You know, Rob
bison, rabbis and priests are giving this. And essentially, it's
about I think, I think it's about five 600 words and as to be very,
very sharp, and enough to in order to write that it's quite common. I
mean, recently, I was at a place where they give us some training
on that. And it's not easy to write a really profound message in
such a short amount of time, while keeping it within the boundaries
that they want, and keeping it palatable, yet effective. So
writing and translating, that's another important aspect, because,
as you know, most of our community, they're going to speak
English, we have to take our heritage, our everything that we
have, and turn it into English for the masses.
And of course, then there's the media training, this monster that
we have out there, which has to be taken care of somebody has to do
something about it. And it's not easy, right? It's not easy at all,
it looks easy. We can criticize people who are on TV, doing the
radio, the radio, doing an interview, and say he should have
said this initiative sat down. But until you don't put yourself into
a position, you really don't know how you can be swept away with
that literally, it is an art on its own. And you need to do
training with that.
contextualization courses. Right now, these we don't intend to do
any kind of major work in this area, because martial law, CMC and
other players doing this, but we we will have some seminars and
short courses on this, this won't be a long drawn out, our focus
will be the DACA suicide programs. That's what white thread Institute
will be speaking about the hospital programs. So British
history, public politics and integration. These are very
important, because a lot of our questions are based on that today.
People who are working in the city, right? Are we allowed to
shake hands? Can we sit? You know, can we have a meeting with
somebody? Right? Now? It's easy to just say, yes, no, yes, no. But
sometimes the situation is a lot more complex than that. And
sometimes we can give them very lazy answers that no, that looks
haram, or that looks halal. without actually looking into it.
Modern Western philosophy, diversity and interfaith training,
day by day, this becomes one because the faith community is one
community that we can have some kind of association with that can
help us against Islamophobia to a certain degree, because they
understand they are also under attack, faith is under attack in
general.
Of course, recently, I was at a program leader, senior faith
leadership program.
We did a little activity in there, which was that whoever considers
themselves to be a leader, stand on this side, whoever considers
themselves not to be a leader stand on this side. And
anybody in between anywhere in between, depending on where how
much you think your leader, I didn't know where to stand. Right?
It was only after actually saying talking to a few others. Then I
realized that you know what, I am supposed to be a leader, as an
Imam, you're a leader. That's what you are. But I didn't think I was
a leader as such.
So what is leadership is huge science, you study that goes
behind leadership of how to be a good leader. If you even if you're
going to run a doctor or an Islamic school,
there has to be some management skills. It has to we have to stop
running it. Just how we've seen our establishments being run in a
village like fashion, where the loud voice matters most. And gets
wins all as such. There are ways to deal with a difficult person.
And all of that is taught in management styles.
And of course, professionalism.
Contemporary Issues, modern applied logic, we'll talk about
this a bit more later. Science of religion, framing our religion for
the broader context of how other people understand religion, we use
certain terms. And when I when I've been in interfaith programs,
we use certain terms, that means something different to people from
other faiths, or to the majority secular crowd that we have. So
it's about trying to understand the terminology, the terms, and
the best way then to
interpret and explain some of our own ideas by using the kind of
mainstream terms when you're in that context.
Right. There's certain terms like that.
Of course, then dow of course, is now all of these things that we're
looking at here, aside from the hospital, these are all things
that we're going to try to build in within those the hospital
programs. They don't have to be separate programs. So they will be
small modules, maybe a weekend seminar or something like that,
that we will have for the students who are already here and for
anybody else that wants to come in
Of course, Dow in general general Dow techniques, there's whole PhDs
that are done on that were in Medina University in Jordan. And
in Azhar Kalia to Tao a lot of these brothers who have who
finished in Medina University have done kuliah to dow those,
especially those who are really out there, you know, doing a lot
of data that they have done Kulia to data, a lot of it that goes in
there. And unfortunately, some a lot of the fear that takes place
as well. But there's data, of course, social media data, how to
use social media on its own, you know how to use that for the right
function, not to waste time on on Whatsapp and Facebook, but rather
use it in a productive way. Youth Work how to relate to you.
Right, what is it that you can? What is it that will allow you to
access them? What is that allow will allow you to
think that you are sympathizing with them?
I said I need to take that course because I just don't know how to
do that. Organizing camps, youth centers,
were really suffering in that regard. We don't have enough we
have a ban in domestic for youth and we expect him to come well you
don't have any youth camps. We just don't have them. There's not
enough of them taking place and that needs to happen otherwise
we're going to lose our youth. We've already lost a lot of youth.
Yes.
Now the practical application of the courses inshallah leading Juma
prayers in local masjid so that's what we want to do our students we
want to inshallah have agreements with the local Masjid that we will
send you how teams for Joomla to be a special training for that.
And okay, this week you are in this Masjid this week, you're in
this masjid and in sha Allah delivering a few classes and other
kinds of classes, local massages, so we want to make this a source
where people can say, Okay, can you send us somebody due to see
classes for the next eight weeks, you know, or for the next three
months, or whatever the case is?
And other courses like that, so we want we don't want this to be just
learning, learning, learning, but we want it to be approachable and
to be applicable outside and to benefit.
Inshallah, as we sit here, you can't see any books right now, but
inshallah the next time you hear we should have our shelves ready.
And our books mashallah we have a wonderful librarian, Amana Xishan
here, right? Who's already owns huge amount of books anyway. So he
is mashallah he is acquiring the various different now we're
focusing on our courses, books relate to our courses, we're
focusing on the fifth and Arpita and Contemporary Studies right
now, but Inshallah, in due time, other subjects inshallah will
follow as well. And we also hoping to have a in depth
E library, because that's, a lot of it is going in that but we do
need physical libraries. Right, so now I'm going to just speak
specifically about the three courses that we have launched,
which inshallah starting soon. So the Iftar program,
the hustles fill, if that we just want to try to avoid the whole
Mufti name, because that's a bit intoxicating. Sometimes, once you
have that title, you just think you've, you've got it, you're
done, you're sorted. So what we want to do is, we want not just to
create a few more movies on the streets.
What we want to do is, we want to create specialists. That's the
whole idea.
So us as the teachers,
we want to just create a facilitation a place where they
can come and study, bring in experts, so that the students who
are here can become specialists go way beyond where we are,
go way beyond and become complete specialists. That's the whole
idea. So it's a two year program, generally in a number of other
places one year program, we want to keep this as a two year
program.
And
the whole idea is of this is that they become confident enough to
look into the source books. And then to provide a response, one of
the biggest complaints that I get, and which I sometimes use as an
excuse as well, somebody asks you a question that you you're not
confident about, what do you say? I'll check in and look into it.
I'll do some research. I'll
call me later. Now you can give that answer once or twice. But if
you do that all the time, then what relevant relevance do you
hold anymore? So there was a number of places that I go, and
that's the biggest complaint that people have. And I know I'm part
of that as well. But that I said, Why are you asking me that
question? You've got so and so so and so on, so on. So in your area,
right. Now, they always say we'll tell you later, we have to look
into it and they never give you an answer. So what's the point of
having an Iftar if you
Don't do it. Just don't call yourself a move the nobody will
come to you them the symbol, you want the title, but you don't want
the effort, it's an effort, believe me, it's an effort,
sometimes for a simple issue, two hours of your time are taken, and
you're being paid for that.
And now in this modern world of capitalization where everything
matters, time is money, and you know, like, you use everything for
money. You just, just wonder, you know, like, I'm spending two hours
on this issue.
Right, so for the, for the Iftar program, this is Inshallah, I
mean, we don't have the whole syllabus in front of you, but
these are the main areas that we're going to be dealing with.
Right, I'll show you how this is different from probably any other
Iftar program, that that I know of so far, because we made it
specifically for here. I mean, a lot of this stuff is similar will
sort of cover it
will soon if the right how you give it to us, right? What you
have to look at what kind of rewire because, you know, 100 a
month, and what you have is you have various different levels of
rewire. You have the hero rewire. Then you have the noir, then you
have the fatawa, and you have the moon. So there's a way there's a
hierarchy that you have to observe that typology needs to be
observed. So there's a method you can't just say, oh, that's what it
says in I've seen it in fertile. Kadeem. That's not enough. It has
to be looked at as in a wholesome manner to see what is the I
remember once inside on tour, I, we got a question. So I looked in
fatawa, Hindi and Marshall, I found the particular Ybarra that
was relevant and I wrote down my answer based on that. That was the
biggest mistake I made. Because when the start ready says you've
only looked at India. Look at the others. When you look in Xiaomi
Xiaomi ignore everything, Rahim Allah, he's actually quoted this.
He's criticized it. And he's mentioned the other opinion.
You can't just give a fatwa based on one thing you see. So if you're
teaching Hidayah, for example, you study for Toka D as the shop.
That's not enough to give a fatwa from because the that may not be
the Kol for fatwa.
Others, that's what Hanafi Muslim is quite extensive. There's one
scholar in Syria, when I was studying there. He was a Shafi
scholar. He was in a bookstore, and he used to he was a really
nice guy to speak to. And then he started studying Hanafi fiqh, and
this is one thing his This was his observance, he said to become a
master in Shafi fake it takes you two years, if you work hard, you
can be a master chef, a few. The reason is that it's also based,
primarily soul based, if you understand that also, and then
it's just easy to apply them. That's why sometimes you get some
weird rulings. For example, if those of you remember or sushi in
Surah Shashi, there's a masala that is quoted from the Shafi is
that if a person had Zina with a woman, and he had a biological
daughter from, technically he could marry her, because because
she's the daughter of his Messenia, as he calls it, the
honor of Nika is not provided to them. And thus, she's not really
his daughter. That just seems
I couldn't even be if it was just 100 views having a poke at them,
taking a shot the opinion of them, but I, I did consult a Sharpie,
Scotland, that's exactly what it is. It's a very straightforward or
soulbeast
might have been having that sense, because it's not as simple as
that. But with 100 vc said it will take you 20 years to master it.
The reason is that we are primarily photo based, I will also
came afterwards. So while I also will help to kind of understand
the underpinnings behind the Messiah, but you really have to
know a lot of fruit as what it is.
So, then we're going to be studying selections of these main
books within that
research methodology and the Iftar process in depth, attaining
proficiency Inshallah, in research and answering questions. And once
you understand this, you can do research in any topic in any
subjects. Because the whole research methodology we want to
impart as opposed to just how to do it for Fick is just the reason
how not to leave any stone unturned. Don't just give a quick
fatwa, or a quick answer a quick judgment, but to look at
everything and that's what makes a good scholar out there. Even in
the PhD academics, the best scholars are those who you know,
have read everything on that topic. They they've read
everything on that topic, they've not left anything, you can't say,
hey, but what about they've read it and they've dealt with it and
they'll tell you, they've dealt with it. That's what that's what
you do.
And Inshallah, as we did inside on boule, in one year, they make you
do between five to 600 fatawa in one year, so inshallah in two
years, we should have a good 1000 photos we hope Inshallah, of
answering and the way we intend to do it here is very different from
many other modalities. We're doing the sovereign booster, which is
you take one chapter, and the students will answer questions
based on that chapter. So by the end of that chapter, you've got a
good understanding of that chapter, especially the main ones
that
You're going to be dealing with on a day to day basis helps hugely.
Now, in terms of the second year, this is where the program is
unique. What we want to do in this case is, as you said, we want to
create specialists. So we want to teach we want you to be here for
two years in the Mufti program. So these are the areas that we have
identified, that there is a special need for specialization.
That if somebody can pick one or two of these areas and just become
a master in that topic, so for example, if you take the first one
Islamic bioethics, medical ethics, medicine, end of life issues,
medical ingredients, can you Tada, we will haram and the various
stoma Bragg bag problems,
leakage,
chronic disorders, purity impurity issues, everything related to the
hospital medicine, and and bioethics. It's a massive area.
It's a massive area, and you need somebody pretty much full time to
deal with all of those aspects in there, because all of these areas
have just become extremely extensive. Islamic family law,
marital law, this marriage, divorce, etc, all of that. I mean,
that's okay, people are already doing that. But that's another
area
citizenship integration and political issues. I mean, starting
from Are you allowed to vote to? Can you be a magistrates? You
know, how far can you take part in an interfaith program? How far can
you get into politics? And just numerous other issues related to
that, right?
Of course, is women issues, very important.
Don't look at the astronomy in prayer time. That's the last issue
that we that we need experts on because unfortunately, a lot of
the so called debate that's taking place, it's just seems to be
heritage debated opinions that they're holding on to without
really understanding the issue. I doubt if the majority of such
people who actually there are few, but the majority have actually
understood astronomy, and I've actually undertaken a study of it.
So
if we can Sharla do that. That would be something Islamic food
and dietary law massive area on its own
ingredients, chemical reactions, molecule change transformations,
massive area on its own, just to understand that,
of course, Islamic inheritance law, Islamic trade and commerce.
That's one area Marcia, we got lots of experts in the it's a very
lucrative field. And that's why I think the majority of experts in
that field if you notice, all represent Islamic finance experts,
and anybody new I don't think there's even any place for them
anymore. Because there's people sitting in all of these bank
boards, and I get a lot of money in that. Right.
A lot of the other stuff is is a thankless job. The only thanks to
get this from Allah subhanaw taala and the person you help, but
that's really what's gonna matter in sha Allah. Right? So that's the
if that program, of course, you will have questions. I'm not going
into it extensively, you'll have questions and I'll take we'll take
questions, inshallah at the end. But just to quickly finish off the
other. This is a course that came out of the Iftar course, when we
launched the course idea online. So people register, we got over
100 registrations, and this is without, without exaggeration, I
mean, to be precise, like 100 and 105. Right? To be precise. These
are people from around the world and around the UK.
Now, it's I did a lot of consultation with alumni in South
Africa who have tried to do it online.
And we realized that it's just not going to work. If you want to do a
solid course, we're not just teaching a number of books, and
then giving them a certificate at the end. I mean, there are if
there are programs out there, which is a fast track one year,
four hours a week, you can be a Mufti right, we just don't want to
do that. So
when he got these 100 And so he said, There's no way we can
accommodate that even in this place, and you can't do it online.
And how do you how do you get people to do the work? It's very
enthused people get enthusiastic, they join up and then after doing
the work and then making sure you have quality control is important.
So we said we're only going to take 10 to 15 maximum. So that cut
down a lot so that that way and you have to be here and then it
has to be in the morning. So that's why Hamdulillah I think we
had the Iftar tests with some got some really good candidate
candidates inshallah and will be inshallah approving some proving
them next week inshallah. So look out for those of you who did take
that test.
But what we realized from this is that a number of people who
applied were not interested in being a Mufti.
They just wanted something to do with fear. They just wanted to
brush up on their fear.
because they graduated,
they went out into the world as an Imam, as a teacher. But the
teacher, whatever teacher chaplain, maybe they realize that
I'm suffering in my fake. I did my fake until RB Jehoram, until my
fourth year. And then since then I haven't had much touch Much, much
connection with it. And even in those four years, I didn't really
work that hard. It was a dry subject. That's why in our
interview process, we had to the one of the major questions was,
show us some anecdotal evidence that you've got some relationship
with.
Give us some extra curricular fifth key activity you've done or
some kind of special connection you can prove to us otherwise.
Why are you coming into a dry course Do you understand?
So a lot of people just want to refresh the effect. So that's why
we established this course that once Samak driven this will take
place just three days a week in the morning for a 12 four hours a
day, right. And in there, what we will do is
we will
be teaching
a detailed, thick book. So you've got the caduti commentary of the
OODA Loop is a really nice book on Furu. So that way you get
mashallah a good refresher of the chapters, you have done a number
of chapters that you may have not done, because not all modalities
complete the book. So for example, Kitab shaker kita BL what else
some of the books that generally kita
kita Amon kita Balu. Sometimes people haven't covered that nobody
thinks is relevant they are they don't have the time in the year to
do it. So we want to try to cover all of that. So at least you got
some understanding. Number two,
a contemporary Texan or pseudo fake? Right? You see the thing
about sort of Shush, it's a wonderful book, but what was sort
of Shashi is, if you remember, was sort of Shashi is formulated or
soul of the Hanafi madhhab. That they show you how to apply, how
you develop them, how they formulated what purpose they,
they, therefore, that's not explained generally. The book is
it doesn't start off on a really basic level, it actually starts
when an advanced level in a sense, and then mashallah the challenging
style of the author, which you have to get to grasp with
otherwise you, you struggle along until the end of the book, so
wonderful book, otherwise, I loved it.
So what we're doing is we want to do modern azul from a Hanafi
perspective, which we have a wonderful mashallah book by Sheikh
Salah will Hodge is produced this is a commentary of the monarchy.
Right, one of our main Mattoon. So Inshallah, we're going to do that.
And then an overview of the Hanafi school, how it works, and what are
the various components and the various different types of Messiah
within the different levels of scholars and so on. It's called
multiple, multiple Hanafi. And then
two other aspects.
One is the evidences of the method, how to look for evidences
of the method because this is a major area that a lot of people
struggle with today, because these questions do come about what is
the proof of this? What is the proof of that we've got our books,
but we just need to bring them closer to the students and that's
what we want to do in shall NASA Mariah, and as soon I thought as
soon number of books like that, and
at the end, a coverage of the main contemporary mosyle from the
harlot solid zakaat marriage etc. From the fatawa books, so the
teacher will be collecting those as the most important Messiah
related to hijack modern day Messiah on Hajj, right, modern day
Messiah on fasting as my inhaler. Can you do vaping and fasting and
all of the rest of it and that will be then taught to the
students. So there is no Iftar as such, but you become aware
inshallah of the contemporary Messiah. The
whole point is that if you do this course, then as an imam Inshallah,
you won't be lost, because there's going to be issues where you'd
have to consult a Mufti as such, but you will be very much
mashallah prepared by yourself. These are the class times of that
it's a one year class three hours a week, sorry, three classes a
week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 830 to 1230 in the morning, we
were thinking of doing an evening one as well. But we're not sure if
that's going to take place this year. And this one is obviously
available online as well. That's why we have a number of people who
are interested in signing up and Shala by next week, Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, you should be able to sign up online for this
one.
Right. This is the course I'm very excited about.
This is the Postgraduate Diploma in Islamic theology.
reason I'm excited about this is because this stuff you don't
generally deal with in a lot of depth in Damodardas as well, thick
you do but this one you don't so for
A lot of people this is a brand new area, but very important area,
because there are a huge number of large number of people that are
losing their faith.
So essentially, the whole idea of it is to understand the dunya from
the perspective of the divine authority of Allah subhanaw taala
proofs of his existence. Why are we here, specifically detailing
those kinds of things? This course has two modules. So, if if we say
that it's a nine hour week, because this is going to take
place three days a week as well, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, in the
evenings, from inshAllah 530 to 830. It does require some of you
to give a mucked up for it, right? There was somebody who came to me
that I was discussing with and said, I want to teach Makhdum or
should I take this course, then it's up to you. But this is a one
year course. And what this will give you, right? You may not
teach, you know, for you may not teach mclubbe. But that's fine.
There are so many other people who are teaching McTell. This is only
one year program. So there's two modules in this out of the nine
hours a week, three hours a day, in the evening. One and a half of
those days will be spent on module one, which is the Islamic
theological beliefs and Creed's. And the second part, which will be
the Western intellectual tradition,
right, so that deals with the philosophy, the theology and the
history of it.
Basically, the the first one Islamic theological beliefs
aspect, we're going to be doing two kittens, two books, one an
Azure AD text, and one a multi D text.
These are the two main schools of the
we believe is that understand what Gemma along with an authority.
A pure authority would you call it paradigm as well. But anyway, what
these two are is
the first one is a super commentary of aqidah. To hear. So
that's going to be the matadi the text. And the second one is the
Sharon hurry dal Bahia, which is a really nice kind of concise
ad text. So you get both styles. And that way, you get a decent
understanding. So that's why we're not calling this eight, the
hustles in Aqeedah, because this is not for the hustles. This is
not a specialization program. This is just an advanced course, where
these two books are taught along with a number of other
supplementary issues related to the Western system. So the module
to them these two books, the module, Module two is something
that I'm going to leave to one of our teachers who's going to be
inshallah helping us with that. I'm going to let him come and
explain that in sha Allah.
So this is our star Imran, your surname was again, Kabbalah. So it
will start in Milan Cabal, you can read his bio on the white thread
Institute
website, he is going to inshallah discuss this aspect of the
program. So go for the second module, which basically, inshallah
does not provide a strong basis in Western philosophy. We call it a
Western intellectual tradition. If anyone who reads philosophy day
knows that Islamic tradition is part of the Western tradition, in
the sense that we took from the Western tradition, which is the
Greek philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle, but moreover, we
provided the impetus for the Renaissance, the enlightenment, so
on and so forth. A lot of the West, Western ideas now have much
root in Islamic philosophy. So what we are going to do is take
the approach of I look at certain thinkers, look at certain themes
that these thinkers talked about Africa, certain tools as well. So
in reality, sometimes very hard to engage in module one texts, like
the economic texts, because we don't have the tools, we don't
have the concepts, and we don't have the ideas of derived. So if
you read something like Aikido master fear, the first thing in my
master, he discusses after the surface is what is in his head is
AKA, his and suburb. What is he talking about? He's not starting
by saying, Allah is One. He's going into the whole show where
it's been, and how one acquires him, and how one establishes in or
what is the definition of him. And once we understand what elements
then he can start making arguments and proofs for the existence of
Allah, Montana, and then you can start getting proofs and arguments
for the existence of prophecy and the need for revelation. But this
is all the tools that underlie so the Module two is about acquiring
all the tool sets in order to appreciate our tradition in more
detail. And moreover, as Mr. Silva said, and later on, appreciate
contemporary concerns and problems. So for example, issues,
what is feminism? How do we feel logical sense around the concept
of feminism and tackle it? What is the issue of relativity in terms
of knowledge? Everyone says, well, you're entitled to your view,
you're entitled to your view, what does relativity mean and how does
what accountability etc and so on and so forth? So looking at post
modernity and so on, so they, it has an aspect of looking at
thinkers theme
To look at from a historical perspective, trying to apply it to
our scholars to see how they applied it, and they understood
it, and they imparted it, and then subsequently to empower us in
terms of a modern sense. So it has diachronic, Alaska has a whole
historical aspect to it. So texts want to dissolve the Imam. From
Allah Tala is the half the philosopher 20 points he
discusses, of which he makes three. And he says three of those
points are good for them, 17 of them happy that we're all these
points. He's a philosopher points that came before, and then went
forward as No. So if a customer, Descartes, very, very famous
Western philosopher regarded as being the founder of modern
thought they call a country, many, many Western scholars seems to
have, you know, had the same kind of ideas around designing, maybe
you can't say that he took in terms of, it's not even long as it
but many of the ideas were a precursor by design himself, so
sufficient all of these kind of fundamental concepts in order to
understand without asking them to do better, to be able to apply it
better, and so on and so forth. So each other in terms of the other
aspects we're looking at, in terms of case studies later on. So in
the beginning of this episode, we'll look at issue of philosophy,
religion, arguments for religion arguments, I guess, in terms of
major issues nowadays, or people I have dealt with is people have
doubts in terms of their beliefs, and so on and so forth. And people
that have doubt are not just people that we think will have
doubts. It's those people that will say, to never have doubts,
what are these doubts? What are these arguments that are being
posed by the issue of you know, exist? So evil? How do you
reconcile evil with beliefs? How do you reconcile science and so
on? So when someone like you to Dawkins is saying, well, evolution
is true, and I can't disprove the existence of God. Like I find this
through the existence of leprechauns and fairies? How does
one entertain those issues, and they're looking at other aspects,
in terms of gender fluidity is another another school teacher. So
one of the major issues now coming in schools about gender fluidity,
that we shouldn't be referring to people as he or she, male or
female, we should be calling them Z.
Z.
So there's no point given gender ideas, because gender is something
that's from society, right is imposing patriarchal systems, a
male order systems, therefore, it leads to feminism, or feministic,
arguments against and so on, and so forth. Right? This shows so
called aspects of goals. This last section is basically applying what
we have learned in the past, to, you know, contemporary issues, I
tried to provide resolutions and solutions that we can and the
solution, we tend to include all these areas are very, you know,
very new areas of data set. And you need thinkers and shout out to
that, who are, you know, who could provide a nice and cordial answers
and strong officers issue. So if you look at these topics in a bit
more detail, and if we're challenged to discuss this,
many of us, myself included, will be very hard pressed to try to
even start with this. I mean, even if you take one of those topics,
morality seems like such a simple issue. But just look at the
Wikipedia entry to morality. And you'll see how complex the idea is
in terms of the various different opinions. And then what our
position is within that framing our position within that, you
know, we understand what I'll hire Amina Lima, we understand that
concept. How do you provide that in a mainstream to a mainstream
congregation? Now you have to remember one thing
when I was in America,
many of the people I was demeaning the Muslims, even from an Indian
Pakistani era background. They knew more about this stuff than
they knew about Islam. Because the assimilation in America is huge.
So this was the discussion that what they were talking about in
England, it's not there yet, but it's going to the next 10 years.
That's what it's going to be because more and more of our
young in university. And this is the kind of discussion. I mean,
just think about anybody who's doing English literature, and the
kind of literature they have to read
about
homosexuality, lesbianism
and gender fluidity. And all the rest of it. I remember very for my
son, he bought it article home once from school. And it was about
this young guy, this team who had written this article about
was he a boy or a girl?
And his whole experience with that, and the culmination the
conclusion was that does it matter?
Does it matter?
Now, how do you even start dealing with that?
Is that how do you even start dealing with that? That's why I'm
very excited about this course because
and then, because this is the paradigm that they're dealing with
When they see Allah ma who is a big shake with Hadith even, they
have no respect. If you can't frame your beyond your lecture in
those terms and show even an awareness, give you an example.
Cell phone masjid, Masjid Abu Bakr, a massive masjid, it's like
six floors. And it was a holiday time when I went there for June
Morphettville. Java, I think they get about two or 3000 people
there.
And I don't know I was talking about something and I just
mentioned the CERN reactor, the Hadron Collider in Switzerland,
and how the bashing these because I was reading a book on science of
these molecules together try to find the Higgs boson and, and all
the rest of it. As mentioned in the passing.
Some young guys came to me after and said, This is the first time
that we've seen somebody make it relevant. I just mentioned this.
He said he woke us up. One of the other members there, he says is
the first time we've seen somebody bring the natural world and the
spiritual world together.
It's otherwise they just think we're irrelevant.
They just think they just know a bit. They just know how to read
the Quran, there are more result, just a massive problem we have
like that. This is the kind of stuff as early we'll be dealing
with the manga, this is the kind of stuff you would have been
dealing with. That's what he went out to do. And he's left an
indelible mark. That's why I'm so excited about this program
Inshallah, that be of that benefit. The timings of this one,
as I've already explained is to three day class in the evening.
And see, the problem is that many Allah ma they're working in the
morning, and in the evening, the teacher McTell
weekends is for the family. So when you study, that's the
challenge we have. But to get anywhere, you're going to have to
make a sacrifice. Right? What do you
give up? If you need to earn a living? Well, you can't give up
your job, right. And you can't sustain yourself on a mucked up
wage. Because London is expensive. Although there are a surprising
number of people that I interviewed recently. They're just
going by they have the morning three and they're just doing a
much better job in the evening and the weekend. They're getting
rested. Well, Marsha, you got Baraka, right? Hamdulillah. So
it's about that sacrifice.
What we believe is that if somebody takes this advanced
theology program, and they do either the Iftar program or just
the jurisprudence program, that is inshallah enough of a training to
make a decent Imam, of course, then we'll add some bridging
subjects there of how to deal with committees and just leadership and
all the rest of it. But in terms of knowledge, you will understand
the theology so any buddy who comes with a question about a
theological issue Shala, you will be prepared, because one of the
most exciting aspects of that theology which I actually missed
out in there is the last module, which is we've identified over the
years about 35 to 40 questions that are these hugely
controversial questions. For example, why did the professor
Lawson marry I showed him at the age of six, nine, you know, that
whole debates? Why can women not be leaders? Why are women
deficient to men as so called, as mentioned in the Hadith, cricket
rib? Why does evil exist in the world if you've got a merciful
Lord? If God is independent? Why does he make you worship when he
doesn't really need your worship? It seems to be simple but very
complex things. And maybe there is no right answer to any of them
because the right answer, it depends on what the person
accepts. And in some case, some people are high skeptics and they
won't accept anything.
But that's the final module of that and that's what I'm most
excited about. Because we really need to get into that topic and
and sorted out. So now if somebody takes those two courses, then they
will develop Inshallah, enough confidence in religious
leadership, whether it be religious leadership in general
Imam at chaplaincy, teaching, and generally dealing with the wider
intellectual, sociological and religious issues. So when you are
in Sharla, than invited to speak at the Ministry of Justice, or in
an interfaith program at Windsor Castle, or Cambridge University,
or wherever it may be, it's in Sharla Bismillah, the Wakulla
Allah Allah, we have the requisite knowledge, let's go and let's try
that.
That's the purpose of these two courses. They're not a course on
their own. They're for a purpose. We want people to be confident and
be relevant, so that this accusation that Allah ma are not
relevant, that is removed in sha Allah, because we have a lot of
relevance. And
of course, we don't want to become in a knife. We don't want to be
left in an ivory tower.
and just focus on Alama. Only our students here have to then give
back. So we want to provide that pet platform. And that's why
inshallah we have a number of courses lined up aside from what
we'll do in other places. So it's a number of courses that our
students here will be teaching inshallah. So one of the things
that we've seen is the women's Sharia foundation class, which is
just for a local community here, there must be women, housewives,
young mothers who want to come and study two days a week in the
morning, we run this in Hackney already has been very successful.
We started it for two years. And those same women have refused to
leave after six years or seven, this is probably their seventh
year are at I don't know what it is. They just refuse to leave. So
every year we give them some more to learn. They don't want to be
animals as well. So then it's not an Alima class. Remember, the
problem with our community, wherever you go around the world
is mucked up, or Alim Alima. There's nothing in between. And I
think that's a sad case. Right? We need a middle class, we need a two
year class we need a two year adult class two year youth class
that is higher level than maktabah such that treats them like adults,
but it's not an our democracy. We can't force everybody to become it
would be nice, but you can't. So those of you in various places
think about that as well. So that's why inshallah we have this
woman Sharia foundation class, we'll do a bit of Aikido and a bit
of Hadith of see a bit of Sierra Bureau purification of the
heartbeat of Tajweed bit of thick. That gives them a good working
knowledge of how to bring up their children and just their personal
lives. Because if we want to empower women, we need to start
teaching them.
And this is important, so Hamdulillah, it's worked in other
areas, inshallah it can work here as well. And then we've got a
special request from some university students are on
Wednesday, they have half a day. They haven't all been through very
good mockups. So they want a course a one day course two hours,
two and a half hours on a Wednesday when university students
can come and again, go through those
same kinds of topics. Then we have one Inshallah, in the evening for
professionals. So one day a week, they come in, we'll just teach
them a few of these books. But see, a lot of people this is one
thing that I want to dispel right now. Number one, our modalities do
not teach the NIV AMI syllabus, the Darcy Minami is not taught in
Alma, Doris, let's get that, right. That doesn't evolve if you
were to study the life of the founder, the developer of it, and
also our modalities. I don't think even in this country, that the
various larger modalities and even the smaller modalities that we
have, even their syllabuses are like everybody's tweak their own
syllabus, Dora to Hadith the last season, you know, the six books,
they were not part of the NIV AMI system that was introduced, I
think, by Manuel, the Shia who will go, you know, that was
introduced much later.
And it's been cut down hugely from its 1314. Year. So we don't have
any army. It's based on it. Yes. So get that right. I don't think
the problem is that the curriculum because Alhamdulillah, much has
changed in the curriculum. The problem is with the style of
teaching, the contextualization that's not taking place. Because
we may not be abreast of all of these issues, if you don't know
what feminism is. If you don't know what a lot of those other
topics are. post modernism, you can't bring that into your
teaching into your fit into your Hadith into your Akita, then
you're just teaching Arcada from the book as it is the
straightforward MATLAB, but how do you contextualize it and bring it
into a contemporary realm, that's the difficulty. So I don't think
we need a new syllabus, we just need a new style of teaching,
that's all you need.
And that's happening in small levels in different modalities,
it's happening. And in sha Allah, the benefit of that will come but
what we are trying to create here is that relevance, so that you can
then go and be teaching those same books, but now in a different
light, the focus will be different.
So that's the university students class. And that's where we end
just like allow Iran for attending, whether you've been
online or whether you've been here in person, just like a little
hidden for all of that and Sharla. Now we'll take questions about any
of the courses and about Inshallah, what we intend to do
here. If you have any questions related to that Chela, please let
us know. Okay, we've got a number of questions, will there be a
chance to improve our Arabic
We don't have an a particularly Arabic course as such, right,
although that's something that's possible, but there's other places
that are doing it. So we thought, let's not, that's not what we want
to focus on right now. We want to focus on what others aren't doing.
But clearly, if you go through the Mufti course, then your Arabic
must improve, otherwise, you're not going to get anything out of
it. It requires a high advanced level of textual analysis these
books
shammy is not an easy book to read. Right? He, it's not an easy
book to read in the sense that it is complex. So we expect that if
you've done this, then inshallah that will help depending on how
much effort you put in terms of Arabic course now, we don't have
that currently, maybe in the future, inshallah.
You mentioned that the jurisprudence course will be at
8:30am. And also online, I'm in the USA, it will be 2:30am. How
will that work? Yeah, that's there's going to be those
challenges, of course, but that's why for, for for such students, we
are actually going to be allowing them to not take it live. Now,
I've been in the online teaching for a decade at least. And there's
a lot of dangers in that the danger is that if it's a
recording, if it's not a live class that you have to attend, and
it's a recording will say, Okay, I listened to it. I listened to
tomorrow. I listened to it all in the weekend, and slowly slowly
starts building up. And eventually you've got too much to listen to.
And then the
the recordings expire. So we only going to keep them out for six
weeks or whatever the next day and then like we get all these emails
saying can you please give us another week? Can you please give
us another exists? Massive discipline problem, but
to answer the question, you will be you'll be given inshallah
access to the recordings. And we will have some format for you to
ask your questions in Sharla, as well.
The days and timing for the Aqeedah course,
was Monday to Wednesday in the evenings. And that's 532 to 830.
So you come from work and 530 to 833 hours, three days a week Insha
Allah, Monday to Wednesday.
The house was filled Cara, we don't have the current plan for it
for this year. Let's see how in terms of once we set up and if we
have space, and inshallah we can secure the right expertise.
Because remember, we want in all of this, we want to try to get the
best that we can, then inshallah we will see. But right now, we
don't have it just
our website will mention when we haven't, can we just attend
certain topics of the hustles for questions or to learn some basic
principles, medical ethics, financial issues, that's going to
be difficult because when they're going to be taught, yes, in terms
of the Aqeedah course, theology course advanced program, for the
that's that one and the jurisprudence program. That's not
just for Allah ma. And Artemis. It's for anybody who's got a
sufficient command of the Arabic language like advanced students
who have been studying maybe in different countries or they've
been studying Arabic and they've studied a lot of privately, they
want to do their fate because we're not giving any certificates
at the end of that. So with the most things, we're being very
careful with the Mufti course, we're being very careful because
that's, that's a certification. So we want to be very strict with
that. But when it comes to the other courses, so in the theology
because there is a possibility, that we will, those who don't
understand Arabic, but they want to take part in the other aspects,
that there's a, there's an modular element of that Inshallah, that's
a possibility. Inshallah.
Again, I'm willing, I'm here to we're here to hear from you today
to see what what else can be done with this and how else it can be
done. So that because at the end of the day, we need to cater for
everybody here we can cater for you. So, we want to hear from you
as to what you think, right. So, how would you apply for the
courses Inshallah, starting from Tuesday or Wednesday, we hope to
have the online application system done many of you have registered
already shown interest. So inshallah you will be receiving
emails of how you can sign up which allow payment system is
ready and so on. Right, the the cost for these
if we kept the cost too low, unfortunately in the there are
expensive of there are expenses are obviously too for teachers and
for the bring the right experts and bringing the right kind of
resources. But on top of that,
if we can just focus on teaching rather than having to do gender
and collection, then inshallah we get more out of it.
Some of you may find the price very cheap, compared to some other
Arlynn classes out there that are charging four or 5000 just for one
year volume class. Some of you may find expensive compared to some
other classes are only charging you to 2000 all year for boarding.
But then they have to supplement it with a lot of collection.
London price where the Iftar courses about two and a half 1000
and other courses are one and a half 1000 which compared to
university that we have to pay 9250 a year. It's much less right.
But the idea of that is inshallah you get the kind of right
resources and a comfortable environment in sha Allah to study
in sha Allah. Right. So all the courses are starting inshallah
This is the third week I think it's the third week of September.
September 11, or 12. That's when they're starting. It's not like
that September 11. But it's that's when the hedge finishes, and
that's the Monday. So September 11 or 12 is when in sha Allah, the
the courses will all begin the Mufti course and the other two
causes. So we expect to finalize the Mufti cohort, the Iftar
cohort, rather, in the next week, Inshallah, people still have an
opportunity to try to, you know, apply for that if they haven't,
but the other two as well. The signups inshallah the registration
will start next week in sha Allah.
Precisely what most this I've said about online learning or the
timing set any chance that we changed if they eventually get
more international registrations?
The only thing that could change is that the PFIC class, the
advanced jurisprudence class, we'll do another one in the
evening. The reason is that in the morning for the Mufti class, we've
got the teachers, actually, we've got most of these, well, we got
one position. And we're talking to a few other Ottawa, right as well,
right. So we've got those teachers in the morning, we can use them
for the fifth at the same time. So it's just a no brainer to do it in
the morning.
If we can get the teachers in the evening, because remember, we want
to do it properly. We just don't want to put any teacher up there
and get the right teachers who are available to teach in the evening,
then there's a possibility, but again, from my experience on
online with different countries is never going to be the perfect
time. It may not be at four o'clock in the morning, but it may
be during your work time daytime, in the daytime, but for many maybe
women in America, maybe it might work. So we'll see Inshallah, how
that goes, if there's enough of demand? And will we know more
about how we will be able to engage with the instructors as
online students before you register? Yes. So the idea is that
during the class, there's the system we're going to use is like
Go To Webinar, go to meeting one of those systems, one of those
equivalent systems we've experienced with IQ. What is this
one right now? Join me, there's a few different ones, and they will
kind of decent, and they allow a chat. Right. So that's generally
how we expect that to expect that to happen. If you're going to
listen, then what we may do is that we'll find a way that works
that doesn't overburden the teacher as well in terms of how
they can take receive the questions and respond to them the
next day in the class. And when you listen to the next day's real
class teaching, learning the lesson, you will be able to get
your answers in Sharla. So that's how we're invested in you right
now.
Yeah, so the question was that if somebody doesn't know Arabic too
well, which is and they want to take part in them the second
module of the theology theology course can they do that? So
inshallah that will be available
for inshallah registration next week.
Yeah, so the online option is available, whether you live in
London or not, we're not going to force you to come here, though,
believe me, it will be much better if you do come here, right. But if
somebody is teaching them, and they want, so they can listen to
it, because only the Iftar course we're being very productive over
where that's not going to be available online, or recorded or
whatever, that you come in class. But the other ones, yes, it's
available online. Right? So Inshallah,
with the Iftar program,
we're being very stingy, very tight. After studying for two
years, we want to put you in the field inshallah for three years.
And then after that, after three years, we want to confirm,
hopefully, Inshallah, we can then give confer a special title,
write, that you are a specialist in this subject, because we need
to create the government media industry is looking for these and
there are people out there, believe me the calls that I get
for this, we want to be able to say, Okay, we've got an expert in
this, we've got a specialist in this, we've got a specialist in
this, that's what we want to do. So you shall make dua that that
happens, but the other, the other two, you'll inshallah it's a
postgraduate diploma, so you'll get a certificate for that.
Right, you will get an Inshallah, there will be a certificate for
that. But your real pleasure inshallah will be with the work
that you do Inshallah, in the hereafter. In terms of the
payments, what we don't want is that we don't want to be chasing
students for money. That's why from our experience in as a
principal in club in Stamford Hill, we just take the money up
front, then we can just get along, we don't have to worry about
now, look, some people can't pay. So there is a possibility that you
can find a guarantor. Is it that what we don't want is that we
secure the number of students, we contract the teachers, and then we
have people leaving after two weeks or two months, we still have
to pay the teachers, right for the remaining students. And it's
shaytaan as well. Pay is a bit difficult, so I can't bother going
in a warning, or whatever the case is. So let me just drop out. So if
you've got a guarantor
Who will pay if you disappear then we could accept that look and we
don't want to make this a rich man's game only that is only
elitist if you can't pay a genuine you don't have the money to pay
then please let us know if you're dedicated you really want to study
wherever you are, you can't pay then inshallah we will find the
funding for you. Right we've already got a few 1000 zakat funds
ready for that right for those who are entitled to that so they offer
you you know if that if you need them and you that's what you can
do, don't let if you can't pay because of genuine reasons don't
let that be a barrier. Inshallah we can find people to we can find
people to deal with this. Right. But we are getting we tried to
keep the price manageable.
So inshallah I'm going to tell our
Mufti means up
to make dua to do our dua for us, and then inshallah we have our
snacks and then you can feel free to ask any other questions in
Sharma
Muhammad Ali say that I'm 100% into steam and
Robin
filling our handle and I call him
Allah
the new collaborative on campus in the long run you send them
wherever they can, you should really and facilities. We're not
really becoming shameless to add them. I mean, whenever you're
Collaborative on campus in a long line salon
when I heard
a lot more I shouldn't really matter anymore. I thought of a lot
more familiar to people with Radha,
Allah magnon as opposed to Hardy by Allah Amina is Erica Suharto.
While Lucky's helped us to succeed in our mission on that please help
us to succeed with everyone for your cause with full sincerity and
fully full produce any class or Allah Please grant us this sincere
knowledge a monarchy can beneficial knowledge or Allah.
Please help us to overcome the challenges. Please help this
institute to succeed in every minute and achieve the best of
both in this world and hereafter Allah please help the students,
the teachers, the Institute to overcome all sorts of challenges
or law. Please help this institute, the teachers, the
students to become the beacon of light for spreading the truth for
spreading the knowledge
or Allah Please grant us all the best of what we have asked and
what we have not asked in this world. We here after Robin and
Acaba, Linda in Atlanta. Similarly, Alinea Mola, they were
born in a sort of longtime humbling earning certainly in
money. We've heard this from Hannah