Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Do Not Do Takfir
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The conversation discusses the negative perception of people who claim to be extreme and use it as an excuse to justify their behavior. The potential for unity in the Muslim community due to the generation of "The" is also discussed. The importance of detoxifying the situation and redoing one's own prayer is also highlighted. The speaker suggests caution when using words like "vanish" and "vanish" to describe situations, but it is unclear what they mean.
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is that you do not make the field,
you do not charge them with disbelief for any sin that they
commit. Even if people begin to believe that the person has
committed it,
you do not charge unless there's a proof that they've done an act of
disbelief.
Why? He says, clearly, people are not very scrupulous these days in
what they say. So be very careful when somebody say something.
They've said something and you've charged him with disbelief, they
may have made a mistake. In the stand, they may have made a
mistake.
And it's very difficult, he says, to know exactly what kind of
expressions statements and words
become a word of disbelief, people, especially some people who
have a lot of harshness in them would like to give it to us and
they're not qualified.
You know, who goes on during the career of others. If you if you
check online,
most of those who are doing the career of others are not scholars.
Some unfortunately are or they claim to be learn the people, but
most are not. They just people who kind of are really hyped up about
some movement, that is a very touchy feely style movement.
They've got shit that in them, generally, these people you'll see
by their nature, they are extremists, just by their nature.
It just happens that they are in this particular group. If they
were another group, they'd be extremists. In another sense, they
are generally also people who came from a very bad background. And
another extreme is background of taking drugs and all of these
kinds of things. And now they found this. So they take it to
another extreme, they just have extreme mentality, their site, the
whole psychology and their approach to the world is an
extremist one. A lot of them, I can't speak to everybody, but a
lot of them are like this, they just extreme nature. So they just
happen to be extreme mentioned, in this case, as well.
So a lot of the expression of extremism that you see out there
is based on a person's extreme nature and his fitrah rather than
he's just using whatever it is the ideology or the group or whatever.
He's just using that as an excuse to justify his extreme nature and
to give that to his extremism. That's essentially what it is. So
he's saying, Look, how can you do the career of somebody, you have
to give them the benefit, you don't even know what makes the
career and what doesn't.
But you see what these people will say that no, this that's just a
senior turn of this guy, he's, there's a person Subhanallah, he,
I noticed that he doesn't make salaam to me, I see someone
wanting to kind of stay silent.
And then after that, I realized one day, he came in asked me about
my Arpita about with allies.
And then I had a big discussion with him and everything like that.
And the problem with selfies who are on this point, I don't like to
quote the name of the groups generally. But this is a very kind
of self extreme set of eating of hungry a lot of selfies have
calmed down a lot. But there's still some especially the new
converts the the worst sometimes, because they've got the ship there
with them anyway. So they've got the extremism in them anyway. So
this is using in this case. So the problem itself is that you cannot
argue with them.
Because they just feel they just see the world in one particular
way. They're not appreciative of the other opinion or you want to
listen to it. They just think everything else is wrong. It's
just a very bad ideology to be in because your world becomes very
dark. Your will become very restricted, despite despite its
vibe of vastness, the Dean becomes
a liability despite the merciful nature of it. That's what happens
in people who are like, that's why a lot of them dry out eventually,
and just lose it.
So, after a long discussion, I realize I'm not getting anywhere.
So he says, No, I understand. I can't pray behind you. But at that
time, I'd left the moment anyway, I'd left being the Imam. I said,
you got a problem because you're both massages close to you. Both
Imams believe in the same ideology that I have. So then he knew he's
cornered, he says, but I haven't heard them myself. So I can't you
know, I'm still gonna pray there. Allahu Akbar. Well, good for him.
At least he's praying. But I know that he still does not make sense
to
I mean, he just comes with this face and just walks past. Allah
help and assist all of us, Allah help and assist all of us.
I was just trying to tell him, just open your mind to understand
the other opinion. That's it. Just open your mind to just understand
where the other people are coming from. You don't have to agree with
it. But at least you will find in yourself the ability to understand
why they think that way. So that at least the harshness that you
feel towards them will be diminished. And at least there'll
be unity that will be created in the Muslim community. Because this
is what creates the most disunity. That's why our Mujahideen these
countries cannot do anything because of this disunity.
Afghanistan got messed up that way, Syria is getting messed up in
the same way. It's the disunity that's creating them. This the 3d
attitude, this not appreciate you don't have to agree with what
somebody else's, but just listen to why they're saying what they
say. That's the important thing.
You know, like there's many cases where I'm convinced that I'm
right. But you have to listen and Subhanallah there have been many
cases where you start to understand why somebody else is
doing. And you sometimes understand that they've got a bit
of truth to what they say, and you enrich yourself better.
And that is very important. So nobody's telling you change your
opinion, but at least appreciate. At least the venom will come out,
at least you will no longer will be a venomous snake. So at least
let's detoxify the situation. We can still get along, continue
praying the way you do no problem. But at least we can detoxify the
situation. So then he says that she called Islamist Sookie one of
the great he was the sheikh with some of his time and the great
scholars him and his son,
some great scholars at that time. So she called her son Sookie.
He says that the Creed is Amarin height, it's a very dangerous
thing to do.
Very dangerous. He says, what's the minimum effect that the key
rule what is the minimum effect of it the minimum effect is you are
essentially saying to somebody who you think is gotten. I mean, you
know a lot of people who think they should do the clear, they
think they should do it as a responsibility. Shall
irresponsibility think they need to do it.
Now what are they doing? Essentially, they are saying
essentially, see, when you say you're a Catholic, it doesn't seem
to be a big deal because it's become so cheap. What does it
mean? If I call somebody a Catholic? What am I saying about
them? I am saying that you are going to be in * forever. I'm
saying you are in * forever. You should not be treated as a
believer in this world or in the Hereafter. That's essentially what
it means to do that fear of somebody. Now doesn't that become
a bit more serious? When he's calling somebody covered? Big
deal. And I don't think I mean, those words even mean anything
today the way people use them. But when you say to somebody, you're
going to be in * forever. And you are not to be treated as a
Muslim in this world and the next now things started becoming a bit
more serious. When you say Cafe you're used to people who you
think are coffee, you know, for the people in this mindset. He is
used to people Garfield's praying with them, because he thinks the
rest of the guys in the masjid or kafir, right? There's some people
like this, believe me, or at least he thinks they may because it
doesn't hurt them. It's a very bad situation. There's two extremists
we've got. We've got some extremists who go to Makkah Makara
Madina Munawwara. And do not pray behind the Imams there or have a
doubt in their prayer behind the Imams there because they are ultra
selfies. Well, because the Imams are selfies and because these
people on the other side. So they have a miserable time in Madina,
Munawwara karma karma. And there's another group of people who are I
don't know which ones worse really, because there's another
group of people who cannot pray in the majority of mosques around the
country, because they're not
there Salafi mosques or whatever was there, you know, whatever
other ideologies there are, which one is worse, the one who goes to
Makkah and Madina, Munawwara and feels out of water fees. Is my
prayer really valid or not, you know, praying behind the Imams
there? Or is it the one who has a problem praying in the majority of
mosques in America or UK or India or Pakistan or anywhere in the
world, for that matter anywhere in the world, for that matter?
Which one's worse? That's the other.
That's punishment for your extremism, that you don't feel
comfortable. And that's not that's not how Islam is supposed to be.
Because if you think that the majority of people are corrupt,
Garfield corrupt, you know, you are the most corrupt of them.
That's what the prophets of Allah Islam said. You say people are
fasted and corrupt and you're the most corrupt of them.
What what are you why are you so special that you've got the truth?
and nobody else the majority doesn't you got the truth
How did you get it? And the majority didn't get it is that
Allah's Rama on the OMA? Allah loves this OMA, you think he's
gonna get the majority of the be Garfield's and Deviance the way
you say they are?
And how did you get chosen?
You just became Muslim, got caught up in the wrong group, and they
brainwashed you this way and gave you an exclusive this mentality.
That's what it is. That's the reality of it. Again, I'm not
saying you need to, you know, you need to change your opinion, but
at least appreciate the other person's opinion and tolerate it.
And finally, under the cute issue, the Prophet sallallahu sallam
said, there's a heavy three Hadith mentality
when you call somebody a calf, each one of you is going to have
to take ownership of that name of that title of the coffee. So if
the person you're calling a coffee is a caffeine according to Allah,
then you're fine. It's like imagine this you've said, you are
careful. These words, they become like a bird or something. And they
go towards that individual. If he is a golfer, and they find their
place colors finish, you're out of it. They are covered. If that
person is not a golfer, according to Allah, then those words come
back, they go left, right, trying to find a place to settle. If they
don't find any coffers to settle on meaning the one you directed to
a comeback comes back to you. Now you may not be a golfer, but you
get the sin of gopher because of that.
That's why it's very dangerous. So I'd rather err on the side of
caution a
lot of people use this you know that they say to you that but why
are you so
restraint and getting these? You know why you being so cautious
about it for it? It's better to be cautious, to be honest