Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Can Jesus be the Ultimate Exemplar (Upon him be peace)
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discussing the two individuals of history which
the majority of the world's population today
follow Islam talking about less Jesus peace be upon him. And
about 600 years after
the Prophet Muhammad
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if you look the world though,
there are in terms of the adherence to Christianity and the
adherence to Islam. Right.
You've got over a billion Muslims, and you've got a similar or
greater number of Christians for the world's population. So if you
were to isolate two individuals, the world over,
they wouldn't be 100 Is the oven and Isa Jesus is we have 100
People like Buddha, Krishna, and so on and so forth. They would
come way after in terms of
followers.
The other thing is that for us to interact and live in this world,
in a way that's social,
following certain rules that could be applied universally, accepted
universally. Most of that is normally our ethical system in the
world is primarily understood and learned through religion, whatever
religion that is,
primarily the reveal of religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Now what we have is, we've got remnants of these religions today.
If you search for Christianity, you will find aspects of
Christianity, you'll find probably many different persuasions of
Christianity in all the way from Unitarians, Presbyterians,
Catholics,
more Mormons, or Church of Latter Day Saints, which many Christians
would say they're not Christian. So you've got a lot of diversity
within Christian and as such, if you look within Islam
and Judaism you're gonna fall into because the Orthodox or the ultra
orthodox and that's just the few that we know about this property
in many ways. Well,
within Islam, there is in the US, get the Shiites and we'll get the
Sunnis. However, having said that,
if we're to argue that if you want to follow a role model, if you
need to follow a role on that is supposed to be comprehensive.
That role model needs to be comprehensive. I mean, people like
that
famous
football players, basketball players, they are also many
people.
There are others like singers, who are supposedly role models for
certain people. But they seem to be just role models about fashion,
about trend, a role model to live your life needs to be somebody
that's comprehensive of all
the best role models that you could actually have, are probably
the profits. And that's why the world over, statistically
speaking, there are people who adhere, who have some love for
Jesus peace be upon him, who have love for Muhammad, peace be upon
him. Right, because they seem to give them that role model that
exemplar, that personality, because any personality that you'd
like to follow, they can't be just good at dancing.
Right? They can't just be bad at dressing. Right? They can't just
be good at kicking the ball around. Right? And into a box. I
mean, they can't be just that life is more than that, isn't it?
Life is about a lot of things, interaction with others. You know,
what you eat, what you don't eat, how you interact with animals
around you, how you interact with humans around you, how you
interact with your young and you're old and what you do, and
how you're supposed to understand things, and so on and so forth.
Normally, it's religions or providers, and among that is the
prophets, who seem to believe, especially set down by God,
they're human beings, they're specially selected, and they are
made infallible. And they are directly guided by God to perform
certain things. And guide the people are such that if you look
around one of the exemplars that people follow, you can't just take
an example that somebody tells you because this role model is not
among you right now. If you look at Prophet Jesus, Prophet Muhammad
Sallallahu, is not there not with us right now.
If somebody comes and tells me, this is how Jesus was, and this is
how Mohammed Salah Lavanya was, and what do I have to believe him?
You know, from an academic perspective, you need evidence,
you need proof, there needs to be what you call historicity. There
has to be an aspect of historical authenticity that you need to look
into. Now,
if you look at Moses, basically over named who use revere as their
prophets, how much do we know about Moses? Yes, there's lots of
accounts in the Old Testament, maybe in the New Testament? How
would that stand to historical criticism? How would that stand?
If you were to look at the authenticity from a historical
point of view? How will Jesus's life that we know of him right now
from the New Testament from the Gospels, how much would that stand
to scrutiny if you were to look at the historicity of it? Likewise,
Mohamed Salah Adios, and what we know of him, how much would that
stop someone else? So firstly, you have to be able to establish
something that yes, this person was definitely a historical
figure, which I think is quite undeniable. But then what's
reported about them, what's related and transmitted to us
about them, how much of that is accurate, and which is not
accurate? Because it's, it's history we're speaking about.
Number two, the role model that you want that anybody can follow
and should follow needs to be as comprehensive as possible.
Right? So for example, you have Moses, Israel bonding, we have
Jesus you have Mohammed salah, adios sallam. Right? As Muslims,
we have to revere all prophets. There's a hadith which is related
in a, in a collection called most Muslims are backwards in the
humble, right? It's one of the famous collections. hadith is a
tradition from the Prophet Muhammad. He was asked how many
prophets came into this world. He said, This hadith is weak, but it
gives us an idea of 124,000 prophets
and 313, or 315. Messengers. A messenger is different than a
prophet of Islam. A messenger is somebody who brings a new way a
new sacred law, Moses was a prophet Jesus was a I'm sorry,
Jesus, and Moses, peace be upon them both were messengers as well
as his prophets. See, Moses had Aaron with him. How old are they?
He said, he was an A be a prophet only, he was not a messenger,
whereas Mohammed, whereas Musa Moses was a messenger as well.
Likewise, in the time of Jesus peace be upon him. He was a
messenger, while John the Baptist yardie set up was an OB, and not a
messenger. Likewise, second year Zachariah was a prophet nonnamous
He didn't bring a new system, they were just continuing with the
previous system of Moses vSphere.
Having said that, if you
We just study the lives of these individuals. Right? We're not
denigrating any of these because we would, it would actually be
unlawful and blasphemy within Islam for any of us as Muslims to
denigrate the life of Jesus, the life of Moses, despite the fact
that we do not consider them, our prophets the way that Jews and
Christians do. Right, yet still be considered prophets of God. Right,
I'll go into what our actual belief about Jesus is later on.
But what the point I'm trying to make here is that if you want to
follow someone, that person needs to be comprehensive. The thing
about Jesus peace be upon him is that he lived in this world, what
we know is about his miraculous birth. In fact, we know a bit more
than that. The Quran begins with
the Quran,
which is the most important book, it speaks quite frequently about
Jesus. In fact, it speaks about Jesus his mom, Mary,
right? May Allah be pleased with her. In fact, there's an entire
chapter called The chapter of Mary, which speaks about the whole
experience she had, when she got Jesus peace be upon him. It
doesn't just speak about Mary actually speaks about her mother,
whose name is Hannah, Hannah, the grandmother of Jesus. And it's
very interesting what the Quran tells us about that. It tells us
that
Hannah, who was in Jerusalem, wanted to have a child that she
could
she could leave to the temple, in the service of God, she wanted a
son because it was normally boys that were given to the temple to
remain in service for the temple.
So she was really anticipating this birth, when she gave birth
follow up now what Arthur as Allah says, In the Quran, alright, I
call it Rafi in me what not to her.
She was surprised. In fact, she was quite upset, says Oh Allah, I
have given birth to a girl.
I wanted the boys I could dedicate it to the, to the temple I've been
given a good girls were not traditionally dedicated like that
to, to the temple. But look at what God says. He says what he
said that can can go into that the boy that you want to, and this
girl that you have, there is no boy, as great as that girl. This
is a special girl. The boys that you had in mind would not be as be
as great as this girl that we've given you. This is a very special
girl. Right? So she gave birth to Mary. So although she was quite
upset, she was re assured she gave him to the temple. Now saccharina
The Prophet Zechariah peace be upon him second era Salam was told
to look after she had a special chamber. And it says in the Quran
that he would go to see to look after him to see if everything was
fine. And
when he would call them at the Holiday Inn Mihaylova which are
there in Johannesburg, for the year on the MO and lucky Harada
columns will be rented out whenever he would go there. He'd
find that she's got all these fruits. Now. Not many others had
access to this place. Only he did it go there and you find that
there is fruit out of season. Fruit out of season right now.
He asked Where do you get these from? Because he's as surprised as
anybody else. And now like you have a shit. She said this is from
God. Now he was a prophet. So he recognized miracles when he saw
them. Eventually what happened is that she rose up. And on one
occasion, this man suddenly appears in front of her. It was an
angel as the Quran. I'm telling you exactly what the Quran says
regarding the story of Jesus, because we are working within that
Islamic traditional sources. There are a number of week narration
that come from Israel iterations that tell you a lot of other juicy
story and juicy details. But I'm trying to stick to what the Quran
says itself. And it's quite detailed. I mean, it's quite
detailed for this story.
So what happens is, eventually as she grows up, she suddenly sees
this man manifest in front of, it's an angel retold, who comes in
the form of a human being and says to either come to give you blood
types of a child, she's obviously surprised she's never been with a
man she understands that wish that for procreation you need a man and
she's never had. So you wish she'll give you but she rookie
give her the tidings of a child. Now there was a
another individual whose name was and this is where the Joseph the
carpenter comes in use of a nut job, as they call it, you know,
the shoe is made out to be the husband of Mary and so on. Right?
It is now what we're told to even look at it this is not in the
Quran for Hypno. Cathy in the great exigent of the Quran he says
that there was a carpenter his name was useful. Right he
He was a really kindly fellow, he saw that she had become pregnant.
Because this this birth from the time that she conceived, when the
Spirit of Jesus piece, nobody was blown into the it actually took
nine months it was a full time pregnancy. So he saw the change,
this is from the fasciae. This is not from the Quran itself, right?
And he said to her, he didn't want to be rude. And he wanted to
broach the subject because anybody would question that. Okay. So he
said, Can you tell me if, you know, his question, basically, was
that how can a person have a child without, you know, that it was
that kind of a discussion, she responded to him that look at
Adam, and how our peace be upon them. They were not created from
any human being. Right, that was the response. And immediately
Yousuf is a religious man, he believed in miracles as well, he
understood took a step back and said, Okay, this is going to be a
special child. But when this question was asked to her, she got
thinking, right, she got thinking that if he has a question about
this, there's others who are going to question it as well. And
they're not going to be so easily explained the way as as with him,
they're going to they're not going to be so easily convinced. So she
decided that she needed to leave that place. So she left Jerusalem,
six or seven months from Jerusalem is a place called beta lamb today
called Bethany.
And so she escaped towards that area, she when she disappeared, I
mean, she wasn't under lock and key, because you won't be
expecting her to run away. So she she left because just to protect
herself from the questions of people. So in this state of
hopelessness, she ran, and she went to the edge of the stream or
something. And now this one is in the Quran that she left. And when
she got there, she's obviously very bitter and so on. But God
tells her, Allah tells her not to worry, and tells her to shake the
palm, and it will drop on her some fruit, and she can eat on that,
and so on. Now, I visited Bethlehem, about three years ago,
right from Jerusalem. And the place where Jesus is said to have
been born, peace be upon him. It's very interesting. It's you go into
the church, there's about three or four churches, they're all kind
of, and they had a big fight last time as well. Just
they had a big fight a few months ago, because what happens is that
it's literally four churches converging on each other, right?
All kind of vying for space. I don't know if anybody's been
they've seen this, right? There's four different denominations that
are all kind of vying for this place. So you kind of go in, and
the top guy was a Muslim.
Palestinian, because that's a Palestinian town. Right? This is
in the West Bank. So he said, you know, I'll tell you, I'll give you
a talk. So he gave us a talk. Now, the thing is that it says, it
takes there's a cave that you go down, you go down into like a
basement, which is supposedly a cave, and they show you this place
that middle manger and so on, and they show you that this is where
Jesus was born. So he gave us the Islamist view, he gave us his own
talk, you know, talk, and then he took us back upstairs and then
kind of looked around and said, you know, don't tell the truth.
I'm telling you guys, I don't think it was here. This is where
they make it up to be but I don't think it was here. The reason
isn't what supports what you said is that the Quran says that she
was on the edge of a stream or something. He reckons that it was
a short distance from the in that within that
but having said that, I mean, she was alone when this happens, it's
very difficult for somebody to actually go and find it. So there
could be differences of opinion about that. Anyway.
Having said that, she gave birth and now she's coming back. She's
got nowhere to go. So she's coming back. And with this baby with baby
Jesus in her hand it used to be upon him
and the people confront her Oh sister of Imran you know, when you
get this wrong
Yeah, of the owner. Yeah, sorry, your sister of goon when you get
this from your you know, you're you're from a good family you're
not was not a bad woman. I mean, what have you done? I mean, that's
the initial reaction anybody? That's why in Islam, if you get
married, the Prophet SAW mustard said beat drums on it. Right?
That's an occasion you can beat drums, because you want everybody
to know we're married. We're not just hanging out. We're not
shacking up together. Right? You know, we're very, we're legit. So,
I mean, Muslims take family life and marriage very, you know,
it's very significant in Islam. So
she didn't know what to say. Allah in the Quran says that Allah had
told her that you will say that I'm fasting and fasting at that
time seemed to have involved remaining silence.
And we'll take care of the rest. So when they confronted her, she
said,
so to me right now. I'm fasting for the most mercy
For one
and suddenly
this baby this influx maybe a few days old or however old he is.
This is in the Quran it says that he started speaking
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was she said, I'm fasting and she indicated towards him.
They said how are you going to speak to him? Like, what do you,
you know, what are you trying to say? Right?
Then he's calling me Abdullah, I am the servant of Allah. Right?
That was a miraculous, speaking by this infant. Now, when they saw
that these people were of faith, when they saw a miracle, that was
sufficient to prove for them that yes, this was a miracle. And you
can see from this, right, that the status that we hold, married,
and the status that we hold Jesus, the Quran tells us to is very
high. Now what you have is, after this, you don't have much
information, you look at the Bible, speak much about animosity
towards him. Right? You learned that from other sources. But then
the Quran speaks about a disappearance of him, right? But
it dispels one very important thing. And this is where I think
there's a big difference. Because until now, all of this when we
spoke about the miraculous birth, we spoke about when he's preaching
these miracles, many of the Christians and the Muslims will
agree on this. There may be some differences as to who Joseph was
exactly. Right. The Muslims will say that he was no longer husband,
because Mary did not have a husband, peace be upon her. And
they won't say that, you know, some, some denominations would say
that, that is a husband. Right? They would, they will say that
some some would say that she she had a miraculous birth. Other than
say that it wasn't a miraculous birth. It was Jesus. Joseph was
the Father, and so on. So there's differences of opinion there. But
here when it comes to
where he's got opposition now, right, he has opposition now.
Apparently, Jerusalem, for many centuries was under the Roman
Empire.
They had, they would normally have one of the Israelites, one of the
buddies, like the Israelites, as the local government there, but it
was under the Romans.
And that's why when there was a problem in 6061 ad was 61, CD
after Jesus, when Titus and hit this last year, they were the
Roman Empire, especially was the Roman emperor, and Titus, his son,
they came in destroy Jerusalem, because there was what they
consider some anarchy against them. But Jerusalem traditionally
was under the Romans at that time. So whatever the story was, there
were many Israelites would disagree with Jesus, they're
waiting for a Messiah, but they did not recognize him as a Jesus.
So many would say that they are the ones that
plotted against what they got the Romans involves, and the Romans
and then you have the Pontius Pilate, you know, I don't want to
go into detail because that's not what I'm getting. I'm just trying
to explain the highlights of the story from a Muslim perspective.
Then what happens is there's a crucifixion that takes place right
so there is a crucifixion that takes place somebody definitely
died on the cross. Right somebody was crucified
the question is what was that? So the Muslims have a very firm
belief about one thing though we don't know the exact details of
how it happened we have one firm belief what Allah says is well not
but they do. What are solid who what action should be held?
Why in the medina telephone fee the fish active Mail Merge on
behave in lb inlet develop one wanna Cthulhu Yanina?
The Quran is hardly ever repeats itself in trying to establish a
point
the Quran is very specific very succinct in its message he'll
though in this sentence in this verse, it says they do not kill
him. While masala boo neither they crucify him
right. So it's a in general it was not killed by them. Neither was
crucified as has been said. But the matter was made an ambiguous
one for that. Should be in the love of the matter became
confusing. Somebody definitely died on the cross.
They thought it was Jesus. People thought he was Jesus. Right? So
the matter was made a confusing one for them. Those who have
different about it, are themselves in doubt. They don't know for
certain
man whom the human element they don't have any sound certain
knowledge as to exactly what happens
in the developed world, except just following the dominant
opinions, that just their opinions that they're following. It's not
definite knowledge that they have. And then it finishes off by saying
one of Cotonou Yatta, yatta. They definitely they certainly with all
conviction did not kill him. But Rafa hula in a, Allah subhanaw
taala raised him up to himself.
Allah raised the bar elevated him or caused him to ascend up. That's
what the Quran tells us. It doesn't tell us how that happened.
On one occasion, it happened who was on the cross, he doesn't have
any of that. Right? Now, if you look at the Christian sources, or
the different gospels, you have quite a bit of difference of
opinion than
the Orthodox Christian church, they actually make it a cardinal
point of their doctrine, that his lack of Jesus's life was taken on
the cross, right as a cardinal point of the Orthodox Church, that
He died on then. And then he was various. And then on the third
day, he rose up, that's quite a traditional understanding among
many Christians.
Right?
He walked about after that, after he was supposedly on period. And
so when he walked about, and he converse with people, he ate with
his disciples, and then then he was taken off to the heavens. So
if this opinion seems to eventually take him off to the
heavens, but first he died on the cross, and then he was buried,
then you've got the best evidence. I don't know if they have any
followers anymore. But then the best of them, they actually
believe that somebody else has substituted. It was not Jesus that
died on the cross. And then you have another group, the Maronite
gospel.
denies that Jesus was
they, that he was he was crucified, they also believe in
the substitution. So what do Muslims believe?
The only thing we can insist on and be certain about the Quran
tells us
which is that he was definitely not killed, and neither was
inclusive, and he was raised up. However, if you look at the famous
exit exigence like if you look Athene, and quote to be another's,
they have revealed related from
certain transmissions, which are not necessarily very strong.
They give us an idea. So we can't insist on them, but they give us
an idea of what happens. And some of those ideas actually conform to
those of the Christians that do not agree with him being on the
cross that that propose, or actually believe that there was
substitution.
So what they realize is two possibilities. One is that Jesus
peace be upon him was in a house with his disciples.
And
they were obviously in hiding, because now that they were being
sought out. Jesus was in Israel, but he wasn't able to comfortably
go out preaching as he was before because animosity, opposition to
him had grown greatly. However, his opponents, right, his enemies
were informed
that he's in this house. So there's two opinions. One is that
they sent a man
right to look for it.
Right, they sent a man in to look for him, he came inside. Jesus was
raised up to the heavens, by the heavens by the angels,
miraculously. And this man that came in from them from the
opposition, the enemies, when he went back out without finding
Jesus, his face, his features, and outward appearance was made to be
like that of Jesus. And they grabbed him.
And he is saying, what's wrong? I went into check. He's not in
there. No, no, no, we know you. I mean, we caught you now.
Obviously, every criminal will deny that act. So they grabbed him
and they crucified him. Right? That's one opinion, but it seems
to be the weaker of the two possible opinions given in the
Muslim sources. The other possibility is that Jesus peace be
upon him. was told by God told by Allah that this was going to
happen they were going to come in they be found you
He asked for a volunteer from among his disciples is in which
one of you will be prepared to put my garment on clothing on his face
will be made to be to look like mine, and they have to face
whatever they have to face outside, but you will be with Me
in Paradise.
One of them
put himself forward, he don't the outer garments of Jesus peace be
upon him, Jesus was raised up to the heavens, because we know that
from the Quran, he was raised up to the heavens, and then this
person went out, and he was crucified. The point is here that
somebody was crucified, because that was something witnessed by
everybody. Not everybody, but there were hundreds of witnesses
to the crucifixion, so that cannot not be denied. So the confusion
comes in the fact that there's somebody being crucified there, it
looks like Jesus, peace be upon him. So why shouldn't it be Jesus?
Right?
Why shouldn't it be Jesus? I don't, you know, it's kind of
difficult for somebody not to believe that unless you're with
Jesus, because then you know, the real story.
So
many of the data followers of gender when the followers of
Christianity, that development Link was a later development
through Paul.
And the majority, apparently, the majority of the followers are not
Israelites, the Israelites rejected Jesus, the majority of
the followers were from other tribes well from other people.
They took Christianity on as such, right? We don't want to, you know,
continue discussion about Islam discussion on Christianity and
what Jesus means. Right, so that is what the Quranic view of Jesus
is.
Now, having gone back, Jesus was never married,
he was 30, or 33 years old, it was about three years during this time
that this happened. In fact, some scholars of the Bible, if you are
that, what they've said, is that if you take the New Testament, and
you to cut out, or to recall, all of the days, all the activities
that Jesus did, that are recorded in the weather, the weather, they
are accurate, inaccurate, authentic and authenticated from
Australia, or whatever it is, you cannot get more than 50 days of
his life.
You can get only 50 days, you can you can only learn about 50 days
of his life when he's an adult. You know, aside from the story of
when he was not the question here is that if you're looking for a
role, or going back to our initial
preliminaries that I was speaking about in the beginning, if you
want a role model, can Jesus peace be upon him
provide you that role model as a comprehensive exemplar? This is
not to diminish your status.
We're just saying that he was supposed to be a role model for a
time but now
it in terms of what we know
about him,
even if we were to say to accurate, there are discrepancies
in the Bible. Right, which, you know, we're not here to do that.
But there are discrepancies. And that's why there's different
versions of the Bible. But the question is that even if it was
all accurate, and you had to compile it all together, he you
can only get 50 years of his life. A person who live for 50 person
about whom you know, 50 days, sorry, 50 days of his life, how
can he be a role model for you in your, in your life, when you're
going to be married, you're gonna have children, maybe you're gonna
deal with many different things, right? The life that we know Jesus
about mercy, right, we know that we can learn things that we can
benefit from him. But can he be the ultimate exemplar for us?
Likewise, when Moses peace be upon him, we know many things about
him. But historically, there are only very few things that are
authenticated.
Right? It's quite simple way to take up some technology and go and
follow that but you're not following anything accurate.
When it comes to water,
there's a big difference.
Some years after the Prophet peace be upon he passed away, it was
discovered that people had started to attribute statements to him.
You had a tradition in the time of Muhammad peace be upon him, that
whatever he said, Whatever he approved or disapproved of, it was
all recorded.
Right? There was this tradition that we're going to record
everything was just this natural people just decided to do that the
Companions around some years after the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him.
It was discovered that people are making up things they're
fabricating. They are concocting different ideas. They're saying
that the Prophet said so and so. Right, this making up things. Now
the others were close to him. They immediately figured out that this
doesn't sound right. He could not have said
It slowly, slowly, the whole science developed, which we call
Jack with daddy. Right? Where anybody who claims that they are
relating something from the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
him, they're going to be scrutinized. Right? They're going
to be scrutinized who they are. Have they had any lapses in
memory? Who they relating it from? Did they see the profit? I mean,
those who saw the profit themselves, they considered to be
one authority. But anybody asked them, Who did you hear it from?
Did you even meet him or not? And so on and so forth. But has he
ever lied? Has he ever done an act that would kind of bring me down
in the sight of people? Is he upright? Is he reliable? Right. So
there's such a tight scrutiny. And then there's obviously it became
such a science that now within the Hadith corpus, the Hadith means
anything related from the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him within
the habeas corpus that the Muslims have, you've got those narrations
or transmissions that you could say are authentic, because they've
been put through some rigorous tests, then you've got others that
are sound, they've got possibilities of both, but they're
not as strong as these. And then you've got the weak ones. And then
you've got those that are known fabrications, because the person
who sent them was known to have fabricated, you know, because
maybe he was saying, the Prophet said about the people of Yemen,
that they like, listen to what the Prophet said a lot of ISIS did say
something about Yemen. But it didn't say everything that's
related about Yemen, people just made up things about their tribes,
that Prophet Muhammad peace when once I learned that he said this,
and I believe that this will promo, rather your power, or the
clothes students have on the companion, they would say, You
know what, we've been with a woman that he's never said anything like
that. This guy is known to make up things, she has a very strong
historical point of view. If you look at the Islamic transmission,
with an Objective Mind, you will find that
it is more historically sound from a place of historicity, historical
authenticity than any other religion out there, meaning any
other old religion like that, right? Then number two, that's
probably historical, authentic to city point of view. Number two,
comprehensiveness. Right. That's some way if we compare Mohammed,
and Jesus, and again, this is not to diminish any of them, because
that would be blasphemy on our heads. It's just to show
objectively, that if you want to follow somebody over comprehensive
roadmap, then who would you will be more likely to follow or should
follow, because if you look at the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
him, he got married,
he had children. It's reported through these Hadith
transmissions, these traditions, how he acted with his children,
grandchildren, he married he divorced, right? He went into
battle, he was an imam of a WASC. He was a counselor, he was a
teacher, he was a spiritual guide. He was if you're, if you're a son,
if you're a if you're a father, today, you can look at him for an
example, if you're a wife, you can look at his wife didn't just have
one, he had nine wives. All right. I don't want to go into polygamy
right now. But
right, if you want to see how somebody acts with their wives,
he's got nine of them for you to deal with. And they reported
things. The thing is, they never kept anything hidden. They
reported as much as we used to live together.
Right, we use one of the wives, I shared the answers to the about
the problem we used to bathe together.
Right? To show that that's a husband, I think that the whole
point of the Prophet and his interaction with his wives and
companions around him was to set the tone for society afterwards,
was to give guidance whenever you want, and you have to be a
practical guidance. You can't just take the Quran and say, I'm going
to interpret it the way I want. There was a living tradition that
was created by God, that's almost a belief that tells you how the
Quran is lived. Right? And that's the most important thing. So if
you're a, if you're, you know, if you are in the British Army as a
commander, you've got an example in the Prophet Muhammad to see how
he commanded an army. When you guys go in, he said, You will not
put down trees, you will not kill the old women and the old men that
have, you know, kind of retired from things and then are part of
the aggression. You can't just indiscriminately go in and, you
know, kick down the take down the force, for example. Right? These
were guidances that were given. Now I understand that not
everybody today that claims to be Muslims follow that. I understand
that I noticed is a question that's probably in your mind where
we've seen people click
killing innocent people. Unfortunately, that's just a human
failing that you find throughout the world university, that people
take on certain ideas, or they get to extremes inside ideas, or
they're lacking certain ideas and they do certain things, right. But
regardless of who you are, if you're a businessman, you can look
at Muhammad peace be upon him because he did business. Right? He
went to Sham, right? He went towards Sham, he went with his
uncle, he did business, that's how he, his first wife was the one who
was actually his the investor. Right? His wife had the job of the
Allah wa she invested a lot of money, and sent him with the goods
to train them got a lot of profits, then she married him
afterwards. So if you're, if you're, you know, whatever, you're
whether you're businessman, whether you're a shepherd, he was
a shepherd earlier on. He was he played so many different roles
within his short life, he died at the age of 63. Right, that for us,
whatever you are, whoever you are, you can look into Islam into the
sources and get some authentic guidance. Right, that is
historically provable. Okay, not making these claims. I am from
mostly background and making these claims, but you can go check this
out if you wanted to. Right. You know, this is just highlighting
the points. This is just an informative lecture. You know,
we're not trying to prescribe anything to you. But the main
thing is that if you look at from a historical point of view, that's
the case, not Jesus, there's a fundamental belief within Islam,
that Jesus will come back.
Right, within Muslims, we believe that Jesus Peace Be Upon Him will
come back, you will not come back as a prophet though, it will come
back as an individually because he has not died a mortal death.
According to Muslims, Jesus has not died of mortal death,
according to some narration which Allah that strong is on the second
heaven. And when he comes back, he will come back. It says he will
come back in Damascus.
Me, God bring some peace to that area. Right? Because those guys
are just crazy.
And
has been locked down in terms of thoughts. You've talked to
somebody about
this doesn't. This doesn't.
This doesn't apply to us. You know, this doesn't involve us that
pick it out. You don't have to because you could be. You could be
a spy. Because one of every three people in this fight.
You can't trust your brother. That's how bad is living like
that? Can you imagine living like that? Subhanallah that's that he
was totally living, isn't it, you got some freedom, you know, at
least your mind is free. God knows best. God give us wellbeing in
every sense. So it says it states that you will come down and this
is to the Hadith. This is not in the Quran. It says in the Hadith
that he will come on the eastern minarets of the Great Mosque of
Damascus. What's interesting is that when the Prophet is made this
statement, and it's recorded from his time,
no mosque existed in Damascus. It was the moment when he didn't have
to admit it that
constructed that mosque
50 Sorry, 100 years. Yeah, about 50 or so years afterwards. He said
that white Eastern minarets in Damascus. If you go to Damascus
today, the US is not a very big city.
The mosque is very large right in the middle of
the Eastern minaret is close, you can't go out there.
Behind the cement minaret is the Christian area of Damascus, right.
And the Muslim sources say that he will come down supported by two
angels, to the minarets will have some kind of yellowish orange
clothing, his face in his hair will be dripping, as though it's
just taken about. And it will come down and people will know that
he's coming. There are Christians today that believe that Jesus is
coming as well. Right? The Muslim belief is that he is coming. So
the Christians, the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims would
have gathered there. That's a long story. It's a long story. We don't
have the time for that. Because I don't want to give you some time
for questions, because I'm sure some of you are coming in with
questions in your mind. So I'd like to take those. So let me just
wrap it up. The main thing is that
I've highlighted to you the major themes of the Prophet Jesus peace
be upon him, as established by the fallen for us. Right. And the
point of historicity, the point of comprehensiveness, if you're an
individual that's comprehensive, that can provide days. The problem
today is that anybody who wants to look for Islam, if they start
searching, they're going to have big trouble. There are big
firewalls in place. What I mean by firewalls is there's a lot of
propaganda out there. I remember once in in American Santa Barbara,
I gave a talk at the college and there's a guy stuck sitting at the
back with a law
That's all. And he says, Can you What about the 70 Virgins that you
guys have noticed in some subheadings? It's not in the
Quran. You if somebody who's looking for Islam and fishing when
you start typing, you're gonna have to trawl through so much junk
before you actually get to it. I was when I was the imam in Santa
Barbara in America, small community, right.
My wife was in Jumar, that day in the Juma prayer, the Friday
prayer, and she tells me afterwards that there is a woman
that an older woman, she's come from some backwoods at home in
Tennessee. Right, Tennessee southern state. She's never met a
Muslim before today has been her first time that she's been in the
Muslim gathering has been other Muslims. But she's been Muslim for
this many years. Like, wow, what happened? So she discovered Islam.
Right, she discovered Islam, but she's in this backwater town. She
couldn't go to like Nashville, Tennessee, you know, these big
cities in Tennessee or whatever. And she had to come for a funeral
or something like that to Santa Barbara. And then she discovered
as a Muslim, she came from the Juma prayer. That's like the first
time that she's met me since she got here. She did her studies, and
she discovered
the truth is out there. After 911 The New York Times reported that
the conversion to somebody tripled in America
had tripled. And this was New York Times something that I read
myself. Right. Having said that, I think I'll stop here. Right.
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