Abdal Hakim Murad – Hussain Ahmed Madani Paradigms of Leadership

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The importance of Islam in society is discussed, including the need for men to attend events and the use of the Sharia as a means of political control and reform. The Sharia is viewed as a means of political control and reform, and enrolling in the Sharia is seen as a means of political control and reform. The history and character of India are also discussed, including the use of the Sharia as a means of political control and reform.
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Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah early he

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was off the heat on NY Allah.

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So we're back now the academic year has begun again. And we've

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decided to resume as our topic for these occasional Saturday morning

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encounters. The bio data focused approach that seemed to go down

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quite well last time as as an age perhaps of celebrities,

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personalities, it's easy to relate to ideas when incarnated in human

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beings. So rather than giving you anything too abstract and

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conceptual, I thought I'd indicate what is after all, the Islamic

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principle of more armella that ideas, concepts, values,

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principles make sense and are most humanly osmotic when represented

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to us in other human beings. So

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we're going to begin by rewinding

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to one of the lectures which we gave in the previous academic

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year, you'll recall the topic was the subject of hazard news on the

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Dean Alia, the great patron saint of the city of Delhi. Not because

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I want to retell that story, but just to try and help us to

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consider

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how things have changed, internal things have not changed. It was

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the 14th century by 1325 and became really the great unleashing

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of the primary energies of War ended in Srishti subsequently and

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need the Taraka a mass movement and engine of Islamization and

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conversion. You'll recall that at the age of 23, he became the

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Khalifa of Barbra, Fareed,

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and who was separated by only one name bhakti Aukey, for more energy

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interesting, choose to admire himself so very high centered and

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becomes this incredible powerhouse of its normalization. And he is

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generally regarded as the founder of the new zombie branch of the

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church, dear.

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But there's another one which in so many British mosques is better

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known, which is the Salisbury branch.

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If you look at those picturesque posters in the Bellevue mosques,

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in particular, for the next build age, Sharif, or some off, you'll

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see that it's the savaria who tend to prevail with a particular

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presence in Kashmir, we are poor and those places

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and the salaries come from another branch from Bebi. Very Molana.

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Allah Adams saw there. So they're not actually his name, but a

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eponym just means patient person with Sabra because of various

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feats of endurance and zeal hood that he represented during his

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lifetime. And his mother was actually Barbra Fareed, elder

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sister, lady by the name of Jamila. So there's a genealogy

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there. And his famous as an example of his suburb, is to tell

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you the story today, that even though he was entrusted by about

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the Fareed to look after the lung out of the place where everybody

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would be fed, and the poor would be accommodated at the Durga he

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was in charge of for 11 years, but thought it was not appropriate

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that he should eat from this food himself because it was food for

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the sadhaka. And so after serving everybody usual seen of enormous

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Cauldrons of rice and ghee, and

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he would, after cleaning up he would go off into the nearby sort

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of forest and Wilderness Area Middle Ages, so much of India was

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uncultivated and find some roots and berries on which he nourished

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himself for 11 years. It's an example of the principle of water

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of scrupulousness Does the Allah mat tend to maintain in not eating

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from the income of our calf and that which is destined for the

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poor. So, this is the principle of the Tuscia Siberia and it

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continues to be a principle to this day. So we now fast forward

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to see how this study engages with the new environment of colonial

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India.

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The end of the Delhi school tons and decline of the moguls the

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first Indian War of Independence and so called mutiny 1857 And the

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very hard questions posed to the Allah mat and the Sufis across the

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course of the 19th century. Regarding the relationship to this

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new non Muslim polity will

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With its unheralded military and infrastructural progress, how

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could these ancient saintly traditions, these ways of

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holiness, actually fit in what was nominally a Christian but in

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practice the materialistic, pragmatic, Imperial colonial

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reality, how could this faceoff actually develop? So we fast

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forward

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to Sahara and poor, central India.

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1814 is the birth of somebody called in there to learn more Hi

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John Mackey is kind of named to be conjured with and they abandon

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proto Deobandi circles to this day, who represents a Latter Day

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instantiation of this Chishti Saberi principle, including lives

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in the forest for six months just for his a bad and exhausted and

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then conceives a great longing for the city of Medina, and finds his

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way on a pilgrim ship. The ironies of British rule is that it's

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actually easier to be connected to the Haramain now than it used to

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be.

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And then in the first Indian War of Independence, 1857, he leads an

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army against the British and is briefly victorious, and then finds

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himself persecuted and exiled to the hijas. And lots of stories are

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told about him and his his or her very representative of this

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tradition. For instance, he maintains the colonists tradition

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of marrying people who are in need, rather than our current

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sort of checklist approach, or she has to have this kind of

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complexion and she has to have a PhD and she has to be blah, blah,

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blah, otherwise, our ego is not satisfied. It's a customer of the

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all on that. And you find this even hijacker in some of the

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medieval Middle Eastern Allamah, as well to look for people who are

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needy. So his wife is a blind widow, and he cares for her. And

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this becomes one of the traditions of the target class. So he dies at

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the end of the 19th century selling the Ottoman period and is

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buried at them wonder which is the big cemetery in Makkah, generally

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the subcontinent you find quite often people call themselves Nucky

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or Madani, they like titles, this doesn't really necessarily mean

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that they spent a lot of their lives in those places. It's more

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an indication of what they would call an SDR In other words, a

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particular spiritual connection, you have a great longing, a

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particular sense that you need to be in Mecca or Medina and

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therefore that spiritual allegiance that affinity is what

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is generally alluded to by these

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by these moniker so he works right to say yeah tafseer the cleaner or

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and, but mostly, * Abdullah is famous for producing an outpouring

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of amazing Persian poetry and commentaries on the great Persian

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Sufi poets. Yes, one of the great commentaries on the Masnavi of

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Maulana Rumi, for instance. So somebody who is already a

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completely traditional Persian eats at continental Arlin. But

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he's having to deal with the British and is writing steamers to

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the Haramain that is straddling the two worlds. And in many ways

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that East West dichotomy was more intense for people in the 19th

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century than it is for us today, because we're already so

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westernized. Look at the way we're dressing, we eat pizza and we're

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already kind of hybrid creatures. But back then, it was a much more

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intense and absolute thing and was experienced as such, not just by

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the Indians, but the by the British as well. It was two worlds

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and how you inhabit or cohabit with two worlds was one of the big

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questions for the island, really across the OMA.

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One of his leading disciples was at manana Rashid can go here

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again, favorite for the nostalgics of the Deobandi tradition. Also

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from Sahar and poor and along with somebody called no Nana Kasim, no

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note we they are both mureeds of hygiene dental Lhasa from this

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Chishti Sabri tariqa and together they are generally regarded as the

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co authors of Darren or non dual band.

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So Gungor he becomes the first director and also the sister

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college those are headed on on in Saharanpur, which is kind of from

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the same period and has the same orientation.

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And he dies a little bit later in 1905 and remains in India. So

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Deobandi, obviously one of the major transformations in the

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intellectual infrastructure of the subcontinent in the 19th century.

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And what's really going on there is that they see the inevitability

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of British power. They have decided not to leave to go to

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those few Muslim places that are still

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Independent Afghanistan, the Ottoman Empire, wherever they're

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going to try and hang on in order to reform the Muslims. Later on

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the Tablighi Jamaat movement comes out of the same kind of circle and

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mentality.

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But

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to create networks of scholars in a more formal way than had been

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normal beforehand, most of Islamic history madalas is a kind of

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founded by some local Bay or prince, and he brings somebody to

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teach there, or the scholar founds it and gets an endowment is very

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local. It's not really networked with anything or anyone else with

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a few exceptions. But in the 19th century world where India is kind

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of being united by railways, telegraph post offices and things,

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these Deobandi scholars decided they're going to create a center,

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which will then create substantive one of the subcontinent with a

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view to stiffening the fiber of the Muslims so that they retain

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loyal to their traditions in the face of the difficulties of living

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under British rule. So, that takes us up to the 19th century, but the

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individual I want to speak about mostly today

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is that disciple and somebody of whom some people today in India

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still have a living memory and this is Maulana Hussain athma.

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Madani

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who in many ways, was the one who kind of kept his hand on the

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tiller of deal bandits and other institutions in India in the

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mayhem after

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partition.

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So his was had you ended up a lot of the earlier ones were dealing

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with the fact of the British coming to India in the mid 20th

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century, the Allamah having to deal with the fact of the British

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leaving India and Hindu * in the context of a new nation,

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state democracy, Hindu chauvinism and all of those other challenges.

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So, again, a major transformation and a test of their claim that in

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their man hedge of teaching and understanding of FIPS 100 view

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folks to read the doctrine this Chishti sencilla there is an

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optimal way of being that will adequately guide the Muslims

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morally and politically through these

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transformations which, obviously, somebody like Barbra, fried and

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Moinuddin Chishti did not have to

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confront. So Maulana Madani born 1877 This is after the mutiny is

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when the Roger is really in its full,

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full power and Grandia

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is firmly up poor, but they have a memory of having seen service

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civil servants under the Mughals and then under the Nawabs of old

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which is one of the earlier princely states, one that was

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displaced by the British. After the 1857

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revolt, the British decided to cement their power by introducing

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something more resembling really a feudal system creating large

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landowners Zamin Doris Talaq DARS and dispossessing the smaller

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landowners and owners of individual plots and they would

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give these larger states to people,

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native people who they are regarded as being loyal pro

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British sympathizers.

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So

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the father of Mallanna Hussein's called manana Habibollah,

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has connection to del band and is also really mainly known as a kind

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of Sufi Pierre, as a healer, the functions of the traditional Sufi

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masjid or chef used to heal people. And in the subcontinent,

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they have indigenous traditions of medicine, not just prophetic

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medicine, but your nanny medicine and so forth. And he was famous

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for this. And in particularly, he was known as somebody who would

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vicariously heal.

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In other words, you went to him with a bad shoulder. And somehow

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the bad shoulder would be transmuted into the shoulder of

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Mowlana Habibollah. And you'd feel fine. And he'd then have to deal

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with it in his own self with exercises and so forth, and they

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will be infectious diseases as well as physical, physiological

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ailments. So he's from that really very medieval world.

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In the city of Faizabad, which is the old capital of the nerves of

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old which is right across the river from Ayodhya, of course

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which is a flashpoint then it was a mainly Muslim town. The 1992

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demolition of the Babri Masjid there in many ways triggered the

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visible militancy of Hindu chauvinism in India. Very diverse

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place.

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Big Hindu festivals all the time.

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Lots of

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She communities in that part of India with a IMAMBARA is

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everywhere and muharram Ricci also a very kind of pluralistic place

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with a slight Muslim majority, but basically it's cosmopolitan, India

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with everybody being neighbors to everyone with often tensions as

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well as conviviality. So Mallanna Habibollah has five sons. And he

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wants them all not to go to the British schools or the missionary

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schools or reforming schools, but to have a traditional Deobandi

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type education. Hussein was the one who liked to play most. So his

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father actually sent him away to Dale Benz to board there to become

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a Maulvi.

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And in those days in Delve, and it was normal for the students to

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stay in the houses of the scholars. They didn't really have

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a dormitory system at that time. So there was a strong kind of

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father son relationship that developed between

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teachers and students.

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The particular ideology of the deobandis then really is just the

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classical mainstream Sunni Islam. It has nothing to do with reformed

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Islam as such.

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We nowadays tend to think of the sort of besetting ill of the

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subcontinent and of many British mosques as being the Bravia

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Deobandi dispute so somebody builds a Deobandi mosque. And then

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five years later, there's sure to be a real V mosque that is

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slightly bigger on the same street, and then it's kind of

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crazy stupidity.

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And they say, Oh, the Braille business who fears in the

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deobandis, that kind of puritanical, but there have been

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some evolutions and like some deobandis, reactive relations with

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Al Hadith in India. But in this 19th century period, and the

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period when Jose Madani is made, becomes the rector, principal of

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Lawndale band after partition, that

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the

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dispute is not really are you a Sufi? I'm not a Sufi, because

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everybody's a Sufi apart from small groups of Hadith who have no

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clout at all. But it's really to do with certain issues of

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this state of people in the grave. And relatedly, how you commemorate

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the knowledge. Now, if you talk to the classically oriented scholars

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in those parts of the Islamic world, I say, well, everybody

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knows that these are matters that cannot be decisively known. And

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therefore this in this, I remember when I was a student in Cairo at

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the Alzheimer, we had the first British dental along graduates

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turned up.

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And the Indian students were amazed by them, because Indian

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students were wearing jeans at the Alzheimer. And the British Muslim

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students are in the kind of traditional pajama thing.

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very counter intuitive. And then the Brave is without and would

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they pray together and this and that, and so we went to some of

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the Azeri Allah, and they hammered out the issues of between the

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religious Messiah in Philadelphia, there is a there is a permissible

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points of dispute because when it comes to how conscious somebody is

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in the Barossa, whether they can hear you whether they can pray for

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you. issues, which are not decisively resolved in Quran and

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Hadith and the automat have taken different views. And it's like,

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that's like a dream world. And it's difficult for us in this

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world really to conceptualize it so. So in the end, neither the

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deobandis nor the railbus were happy with us sorry, scholars

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recommendation, I guess they wanted something a bit more

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polarizing. But this in the 19th century, this became a very big

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disputation or matter and even affected some of the politics and

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the boundary drawing of politician but the thing to bear in mind is

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that they take themselves to be simply the inheritors of a Sufi

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tradition and that Srishti Sunbury traditions is in many ways got an

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ecstatic devotional tradition.

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The Knox Mondays tend to be historically a bit more

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sober, but in any case,

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individuals impose their own stamp on these as much as tradition. So

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he's been sent by monana. Habib, a lot to study in Del band.

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So

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let me just see if we can find a reminiscence here rather than just

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having my voice for the next

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One of the advantages about studying was enough med is that

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he's, he writes lots of kind of autobiographical test type works

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about his experience in different places. So we can reconstruct his

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early life quite, quite

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easily here. He says later on, I never had much enthusiasm for

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study and would not study thoroughly or do much to review my

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books. As far as the beginning books on which there was only an

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oral exam I did well, but not so well. In the later written ones. I

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failed three of six in the first year. The night before the exam, I

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would study the whole book and sleep only an hour or less. To

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stay awake, I would prepare salty tea and whenever I felt sleepy,

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drink the tea and thus keep off the sleepiness for an hour or two.

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I always needed much sleep, and I especially feel sleepy when

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reading. After I failed my exams for the first time, Alhamdulillah

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I did not fail again. And within my class, I often attained good

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marks that are long Dobyns exams from the beginning of May

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difficult, whether oral or written. When a student of the law

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entered government institutions, or did exams after competing

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English classes, they will always the most distinguished. Although I

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was always unenthusiastic and shrank from any kind of work and

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sacrifice, thank Allah gradually, both my intellectual inclination

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and balance of character grew, the very beginning my interest was in

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logic and philosophy, and literature, and Hadith. So you get

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a sense that he kind of seems to be an ordinary type of student and

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nobody could have guessed at that point that it ended up being the

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head of the general at all in my hand, and one of the most prolific

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authors as well as campaigners for Indian independence. Later on is

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just an ordinary boy from a small town.

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So, in the midst of this,

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he gets a message from his father, who is experienced what they call

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an jetboat. In other words, an inner, overwhelming yearning to go

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and live in one of the holy cities, he wants to go and live in

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Medina. So the whole family

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to move and he ends his studies in Del band. And before he leaves he

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takes a formal br with Maulana Rashid can go here who saw was the

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great disciple of * him dead lot. So he's got his bat. But as

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an alum, he's still not half is still on the way. So in 1898, the

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whole family move and one of the advantages of going to the

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hedgerows is the * Abdullah, who led the army in the mutiny is

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still in Makkah, and they're able to sit at his feet is really old,

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but that's an opportunity for them to engage.

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They get to NACA, and then they head for Medina, which in those

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days is like a two week journey. Now that there's a high speed

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train, which is a bit of a strange thing to build for pilgrims when

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you think about it, so the old thing was to sit on your camel or

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your mule and you would study you would talk to people who look at

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the you'd be prepared spiritually, leaving your worldly things and to

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enter the holy city was a form of respect for the

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Shah, but now as a high speed train, dude, miles and I got to

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funny. So, four days out from Makkah, he has a dream, in which

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he says the Holy Prophet alayhi salat wa salam, ALA, this is

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always true dream, right, your sadaqa so he sees the Holy Prophet

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and he falls at his feet and asks him

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to pray for him to be a better student, so that he will remember

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what he learns and understand everything that he reads and this

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is granted he was about 21 at the time. In the Dena, things for the

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Indian family are hard.

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They start by opening a little shop, but it doesn't work too well

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close. It's after about a year so that Jose Madani has to find work,

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just doing a bit of tutoring or working as a copyist writing up

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people's marriage certificates and things like that. And they

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actually build their own house with sort of lumps of rock and and

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rammed clay so they're living in considerable indigence. But

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in Medina, Madonia is

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1900 He gets a letter from India Malena Rashid can go He is

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inviting him, says missing him and wants him to visit.

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Not so easy. The journey back then,

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even though is there's always been a connection between India and

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Arabia because you know, they're not so far. You take a boat from

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Bombay and then

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have hidden and up the Red Sea. But still, if you have to work

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your passage, it can take weeks and weeks.

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So he comes to

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Delhi.

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And then they'll band and then he goes to see his teacher in this

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town, Ganga Hall, which is about 25 miles and he walks. And it's a

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famous walk in that he is said to have been crying the whole way is

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he feels bad about meeting his teacher, and having to say I just

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found work as a copyist and selling little books and Medina

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and still not a half is and I'm still not following your

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instructions.

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But when he gets to the Durga, and spend some time there Molana

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Rasheed whines his own turban around his head, which is on the

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stake of neotraditional sign of investiture and permission.

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And then he visits various Mazhar as he goes to famous Chishti

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massage. And then, having spent several months in India, goes back

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to Medina. So this is obviously why Montana has invited him

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because he recognizes that he has to be a successor, which seems

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strange is only a kid really, in a culture that validates agent and

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dignity But the surprising thing has happened. So in Medina, he

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goes back and immediately starts to have dreams. And he actually

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writes down and describe some of these as 18 Dirty records. And

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very often he would see see dreams in which the Holy Prophet alayhi

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salatu salam, or Ibrahim or Mao Nana, Rashid or * him that

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Allah would give him something to eat dates or milk or something

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sustaining.

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Now in those days, Mecca and Medina were not what they are now,

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in that they were full of little madrasahs and libraries. I read a

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article, which listed the 30 libraries that used to exist in

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Medina until the mid 20th century. It was the case in the Ottoman

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Empire in particular for statesman to go to Medina as a kind of

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retirement place. In England, you retire to the Bahamas or Margate

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or something but the Ottomans, Medina, of course, in the hope of

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being buried that and very often these moneyed caches would do

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something positive, like endow a library or a house for the hedges

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or a little hospital. So there was quite an elaborate infrastructure

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though.

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So it's a good place for students and always has been. And one of

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the reasons why the Haramain have been particularly critical in

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intellectual exchange in Islam is that if you can imagine before jet

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aircraft or trains or steamships, the Hajj, which was your

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obligation, had to be very carefully thought out, because to

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get there from West Africa or Indonesia or somewhere Condor,

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someone, you had to make sure that you got there well in advance,

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because if you missed our effort,

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you have to wait until the next year. There's no way of me if

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you've missed Arafa, that's it. So people will get there well in

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advance. And as the months Drew, particularly from Ramadan, to the

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Hajj, the Haramain were like university towns, and it would be

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great all of that from everywhere. Engaging, and also the small

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amount that I says would be really busy. And nowadays, what do they

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do in the Movenpick in Medina, you look out and there's the heroin,

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but it's kind of interesting to see people walking around, I

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guess, but there's a great big TV, and a picture by toulouse-lautrec

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on the wall. And it's kind of space out entertainment culture,

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but back then it wasn't like that. It was an opportunity really to

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turn around and prove yourself to be in circles of the character

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visit the medulla says, To enjoy the software of the show. It was

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an amazing experience that was really part of your, your visit to

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the Haramain. And of course, Jerusalem was fully integrated

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into all of this. At the same time, so his teaching and starts

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to teach very hard he becomes a teacher at something called the

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mother a session CO which is one of the big Ottoman founded

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madrasahs in Medina and he's known for teaching without notes because

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he prepares at night from fajr until Asia and then sometimes

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afterwards and later in life. His practice was to teach Buhari after

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Asia. He was be at his most active then it will be a three hour class

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every night. So quite hard for the younger students, but he was full

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of energy for it. And he also taught in the Haram

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now

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Raise, you don't see that because the model now is for people to go

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to Mecca, Medina to do that a bad and to go to Burger King and to

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buy a bottle of perfume and a leaky bottle of zamzam. and off

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you go.

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But then

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it wasn't just the libraries and the Madras says, but the Haram

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itself, not just that other mothers isn't but haram itself.

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Every column had a scholar sitting and

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talking, talking. Nobody was controlling it, there was nobody

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in charge of it. Anybody with an ijazah because we started just

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talking and you couldn't show that some well known Arlynn had

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authorized you.

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Nobody would want to listen, it was kind of self selecting

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process. That was a truly amazing place. And particularly in the

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days before electricity, because during the day, it's hot, people

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have a long siesta. But at night, when the

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Toa she would come out and light all of the olive oil lamps in the

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Haram in Makkah. It was a truly amazing magical spectacle and the

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sound of Quran and people studying everywhere, it was very reverent

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and very intense and astonishing. So he's part of of that and is a

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teacher and is certainly respected by this time is Arabic is really

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amazing. And later on some of the arguments in his

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polemics about partition roof relate to the fact that supposedly

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he doesn't understand Arabic words properly. A cabal accuses him of

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this, that was Arabic was probably a little bit questionable, but he

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is a master of the Arabic language. So in 1909,

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he goes back to India, his wife has died in Medina, antique

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mirrors again,

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spend some time in Del band, and

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refreshes his knowledge of Hadith under somebody called Maulana

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Muhammad Al Hassan is the great Hadith scholar in dual band at the

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time.

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Maulana Muhammad, Al Hassan,

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then goes to the hijas and Molana for saying goes back as well. Lots

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of tooing and froing. And then in 1914,

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the great war begins.

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And this is immediately a problem for any British subject in the

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holy cities because the holy city is a part of the Ottoman Empire,

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which is at war with the British Empire.

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So a huge problem the Turks that make difficulties for them, even

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though technically their enemy aliens, but they just continue

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teaching and nobody really cares. And Harley Pasha, who is the

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governor of the hijas actually go out of his way to make sure that

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the scholars are not interfered with.

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But the Ottoman Empire is really no match for the British Empire on

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one side and Russians on the other. And

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on a visit to Mecca in 1916.

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The Arab Revolt takes place a lot of slavery Arabia in a Sharif

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Hussein and

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all of that

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romantic nonsense, which was basically just a piece of Imperial

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manipulation and mischief making. After the British had failed so

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catastrophically at Gallipoli a quarter of a million men died or

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felt was casualties. On either side. The biggest ever defeat the

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British Empire suffered really was by the so called sick man of

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Europe and the Dardanelles, Churchill's greatest, greatest

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debacle. So the idea was to weaken the Ottoman Empire by trying to

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detach the Arabs from their loyalties to the Salton KDF in

00:34:03 --> 00:34:06

Constantinople that had already been done successfully in the 19th

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century to detach the Balkan provinces, which, as we saw in the

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episode lecture, were really considered to be the heartlands of

00:34:15 --> 00:34:19

the Ottoman Empire by the Ottomans themselves. But with the Balkan

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wars in 1912, Albania went but no Macedonia went southern

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Montenegro, Western Thrace, and there's just a little kind of

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amputated stump of Turkey in Europe, which is still there. But

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it's not

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on the borders of Austria any longer. It's small.

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So they wanted to do the same thing to the Arab provinces. The

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trouble was that the Arabs weren't really nationalist, unlike the

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Serbs and the Muslims and the Albanians and the Greeks and the

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others, because they were thinking in more specifically religious

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terms, they remember the Crusades unhappily and

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The assault on Kaelyn particularly sought and unblocked in need were

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really popular in the Arab world. Abdul Hamid did a lot for the

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Haramain he built the Hejaz railway.

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And nobody saw any point in rebelling so the British

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eventually had to bribe a few tribesmen. No Arabs ever

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defected from the Ottoman army to go over to the side of the British

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or the Arab rebels. The Arabs in the Ottoman army were completely

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loyal and also fought at Gallipoli, incidentally along in

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their patches admission into the Caucasus, which wasn't a great

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success. So if they just saw themselves as Ottomans.

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So for the British, this was a problem. So they managed to get

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their Sharif Hussein in Makkah, with a promise of sovereignty

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after the war, told him Somerset on the Empire of the Turks, now

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it's going to be an Arab kingdom under our tutelage, whether you

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like it or not, and we'll make you king of Arabia and we'll probably

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make you Khalifa

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Burj Khalifa should be an Arab anyway, as long as you throw off

00:36:09 --> 00:36:14

your allegiance to the to the Turks, and the Schaffer saying I

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bought this.

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And with the help of Lawrence of Arabia and the Arab euro and Cairo

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and British gold, they managed to get Makkah to secede from the

00:36:28 --> 00:36:30

healer alpha, which is a fairly extreme thing.

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So, this is going on, and clearly the situation of British subjects

00:36:40 --> 00:36:45

in the holy cities is increasingly precarious one, because they were

00:36:45 --> 00:36:50

British subjects living under the enemy Ottomans, and now they are

00:36:50 --> 00:36:53

British subjects, but the British are pulling the strings behind

00:36:53 --> 00:37:02

this new while the ghostly kingdom of the hijas and indeed, in 1916.

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

The group of scholars Maulana Muhammad Al Hassan and Jose

00:37:06 --> 00:37:11

numbered Madani are arrested by order of the Sharif of Mecca.

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Now the British in the Arab era in Cairo, have drafted a fatwa

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in which they declared that the Ottomans are catheter and that is

00:37:22 --> 00:37:27

an obligation for Muslims to fight against the Ottoman Empire

00:37:28 --> 00:37:29

in the interests of

00:37:31 --> 00:37:37

the British Qing emperor, and the Allamah. Everywhere in the British

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Empire are being pressed to sign this strange fatwa, which is

00:37:41 --> 00:37:45

endorsed in Makkah by an obscure scholar who has now been made the

00:37:45 --> 00:37:48

Sheikh Al Islam. The real shift from Islam, of course, is still in

00:37:48 --> 00:37:51

Constantinople. But this scholar who is

00:37:53 --> 00:37:56

rather terrified of their Sharif Hussein is going around getting

00:37:56 --> 00:37:59

everybody in Mecca to sign this thing saying the Turks are

00:37:59 --> 00:38:03

catheters and the British are protectors of true religion. And

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then he comes to work the place where Maulana Muhammad Hassan will

00:38:09 --> 00:38:12

say not mad money staying and says, you have to sign this thing.

00:38:12 --> 00:38:18

The texts are called far and they say, and they have to be evasive,

00:38:18 --> 00:38:22

because consequences could be disastrous. They say, Well, this

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is just for the owner of McCann, we've got nothing to do with this.

00:38:26 --> 00:38:29

We're from India. This is not our document that comes back the next

00:38:29 --> 00:38:32

day, and it's got the same factor but the words and the Turks are

00:38:32 --> 00:38:36

catheter have kind of disappeared, hoping that this will be more

00:38:36 --> 00:38:40

acceptable, but they still won't sign it. And so

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with the orders of the British pilgrim officer in Jeddah,

00:38:47 --> 00:38:52

certain Colonel Wilson, they are arrested and put on mules and

00:38:52 --> 00:38:57

taken to Jeddah accused of plotting with the Ottomans.

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Beggars in Medina, they've been hanging out with olive Pasha and

00:39:02 --> 00:39:06

some of the Ottoman statesmen there. And it seems pretty obvious

00:39:06 --> 00:39:10

that they've been consorting with the enemy. So

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the

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the times are very tense and this of course, is a traumatic and and

00:39:21 --> 00:39:23

horrible experience for the whole

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so they're taken to Jeddah under God and we have to ask ourselves,

00:39:36 --> 00:39:42

why the British on doing this? Do they really believe that these

00:39:42 --> 00:39:46

Indian Alanna are in cahoots with the Ottomans and trying to stir up

00:39:46 --> 00:39:51

sedition? Well, of course, the relations but in all in that, and

00:39:51 --> 00:39:56

the British had always been uncomfortable, since the Muslims

00:39:56 --> 00:39:59

basically took the lead in the first Indian War of Independence

00:39:59 --> 00:39:59

in a

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1857 And a lot of the scholars, so * Abdullah himself were

00:40:06 --> 00:40:11

associated with that and that giusti Sunbury line that ended up

00:40:11 --> 00:40:16

becoming very organized in Dale band was obviously subject to some

00:40:16 --> 00:40:20

British colonial suspicion, even though they're banned was not

00:40:21 --> 00:40:25

political, but there was one. ARLEN Amman, Anna Obaidullah Cindy

00:40:26 --> 00:40:29

was an interesting person who was actually a Sikh convert. In his

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teenage years he converted to Islam managed to become a

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dual band organized some of the Dell band graduates into something

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called the jam out and unsolved.

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Which again, was not really political or explicitly anti

00:40:49 --> 00:40:57

British, but clearly was some kind of mobilized group. And Maulana

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Muhammad Hassan had a close relationship with him and was

00:41:00 --> 00:41:04

constantly corresponding with him. So we have

00:41:06 --> 00:41:10

Obaidullah, Cindy, during the First World War

00:41:12 --> 00:41:15

goes to the NorthWest Frontier, province, all of those seven foot

00:41:15 --> 00:41:18

tall, frowning Pashtuns

00:41:19 --> 00:41:23

to try and foment a rebellion against the British. They're

00:41:23 --> 00:41:26

always rebellion, rebelling against everybody and against each

00:41:26 --> 00:41:30

other. But this has to be a jihad against the British, specifically,

00:41:31 --> 00:41:35

in order to establish an independent India to meet up with

00:41:35 --> 00:41:40

Muslims in Central Asia, who will then rise up against the Tsar,

00:41:40 --> 00:41:44

because Russia is in disarray. And

00:41:45 --> 00:41:50

he writes a letter to mahmudul, Hasan telling him what he is

00:41:50 --> 00:41:53

doing, but asking for his support.

00:41:54 --> 00:41:59

Now the British through a spy, intercept the letter, which is

00:41:59 --> 00:42:03

written on silk to make it easy to, to hide, and this is called

00:42:03 --> 00:42:08

the silk letter conspiracy, which is one of the episodes of the

00:42:08 --> 00:42:09

British Raj in India.

00:42:11 --> 00:42:15

And as a result, Muhammad, Hassan immediately comes under suspicion,

00:42:15 --> 00:42:20

which seems to be why the British have had him lead away under

00:42:20 --> 00:42:24

arrest with whoever happens to be in his house at the time.

00:42:26 --> 00:42:31

Now, this starts to politicize them a lot more, because it's very

00:42:31 --> 00:42:36

obvious what the British are up to, in the hijas. The Arabs are

00:42:36 --> 00:42:41

still staunchly pro ottoman. But these wild tribes have been told

00:42:41 --> 00:42:44

that they will get British gold and the right to pillage Damascus,

00:42:45 --> 00:42:49

if they fight with Lawrence, it's very transparently a piece of

00:42:50 --> 00:42:56

Imperial manipulation. And although we think of that period,

00:42:57 --> 00:43:01

and the parceling up of the Middle East, according to lines of

00:43:01 --> 00:43:04

colonial influence, the creation of countries like Lebanon and

00:43:04 --> 00:43:10

Jordan, Iraq, places that had not been countries before, lines that

00:43:10 --> 00:43:14

were drawn across the desert by a bunch of men in a smoke filled

00:43:14 --> 00:43:18

room, and the Palace of Versailles,

00:43:19 --> 00:43:23

as the kind of original sin that has caused the instability of the

00:43:23 --> 00:43:27

Middle East. It's also had a big impact in Muslims elsewhere,

00:43:27 --> 00:43:32

particularly in India in strengthening anti British

00:43:32 --> 00:43:32

feeling.

00:43:34 --> 00:43:41

Because the kind of deceit of it was particularly offensive to

00:43:41 --> 00:43:45

Muslim sensibility. On the one hand, the British had written to

00:43:45 --> 00:43:50

the Sharif Hussein, promising him that he will be an Arab sovereign,

00:43:51 --> 00:43:54

and the Arabs would receive their independence under some kind of

00:43:54 --> 00:43:57

vague British imperial supervision, the French would have

00:43:57 --> 00:44:03

Syria, but they'd also signed secret Sykes pico accords. So Mark

00:44:03 --> 00:44:08

Sykes, or former principal here, Muhammad Assad has written a great

00:44:08 --> 00:44:11

book about Mark Sykes and that period where the British and the

00:44:11 --> 00:44:14

French had secretly written another agreement saying no, the

00:44:14 --> 00:44:16

city Arabs aren't going to get any kind of independence. It's just

00:44:16 --> 00:44:19

going to be colonial rule, the British will get Iraq and the

00:44:19 --> 00:44:22

French will get Syria and Lebanon and

00:44:24 --> 00:44:30

file closed. So that kind of deceit was particularly regarded

00:44:30 --> 00:44:33

as particularly sleazy and disgraceful, particularly to the

00:44:33 --> 00:44:38

kind of classical Sufi Allamah who really respected men who kept

00:44:38 --> 00:44:42

their word but this was a nasty form of nofap and did a lot to

00:44:42 --> 00:44:45

galvanize what became the hill effort movement in India, which

00:44:45 --> 00:44:50

was one of the currents that moved into the campaign against British

00:44:50 --> 00:44:55

rule and for Indian independence. So the Hossein McMahon

00:44:55 --> 00:44:59

correspondence, which is where the British said, you will be top dog

00:45:00 --> 00:45:02

And the secret Sykes pico correspondence where they said

00:45:02 --> 00:45:06

actually no, we're just going to take over ourselves

00:45:07 --> 00:45:10

a very significant documents if you've seen the film, a dangerous

00:45:10 --> 00:45:11

man

00:45:13 --> 00:45:18

which is basically about the betrayal of the Arabs at the

00:45:18 --> 00:45:23

Treaty of Versailles. You will see that and they're still really

00:45:23 --> 00:45:27

angry about it her and a bunch of Jordanian taxi drivers saying,

00:45:27 --> 00:45:31

we're not really Jordanians. We'd have to be polite to taxi drivers

00:45:31 --> 00:45:35

in the Arab world. No, we're not Jordanians. It's all Sham. You

00:45:35 --> 00:45:39

know, it's all Sham, Palestine and Lebanon and Syria and all those

00:45:39 --> 00:45:42

silly countries we always used to be together, we speak the same

00:45:42 --> 00:45:45

kind of Arabic with the same people. It's just you British who

00:45:45 --> 00:45:47

kind of ruined everything.

00:45:49 --> 00:45:53

probably correct. But the British crosstalk This is Imperial

00:45:53 --> 00:45:57

planning, this is going to go on forever, they never really thought

00:45:57 --> 00:46:00

that there would be independent countries. But in any case, these

00:46:00 --> 00:46:04

are very, very traumatic times. And it's like 100 years ago, and

00:46:04 --> 00:46:07

everybody's been commemorating the end of the First World War and the

00:46:07 --> 00:46:11

Battle of are done, the last post, etcetera, etcetera. But Europe

00:46:11 --> 00:46:16

kind of has recovered the Middle East,

00:46:17 --> 00:46:18

still suffering.

00:46:19 --> 00:46:23

You should read David from King's book, a piece to end or piece

00:46:23 --> 00:46:26

where he talks about the catastrophes of the map drawing

00:46:26 --> 00:46:30

that took place at the Treaty of Versailles. Let's create a place

00:46:30 --> 00:46:31

called Yugoslavia, they thought

00:46:32 --> 00:46:36

let's put Albanians in it and Slovenes and craps and Serbs, you

00:46:36 --> 00:46:39

know, they hate each other and Bosnia and Montenegro. It will be

00:46:40 --> 00:46:43

the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It's never existed before. And then of

00:46:43 --> 00:46:47

course, when authoritarian rule ends, Tito dies, we're not sure

00:46:47 --> 00:46:52

which takes over bang is it's an unreal nation state. And the same

00:46:52 --> 00:46:54

happens for so many of those

00:46:55 --> 00:47:00

fantasy states that were created at the Treaty of Versailles, Iraq

00:47:00 --> 00:47:03

was put the Kurds together with the Sunnis and the Shia and the

00:47:03 --> 00:47:06

Turkoman and the Yazidis. And the Christians, and it's going to be

00:47:06 --> 00:47:10

just great. kind of handy for extracting oil, I guess. But

00:47:11 --> 00:47:17

that didn't work. So well, either. In any case, yeah, centuries gone

00:47:17 --> 00:47:21

by and we're still suffering, the peace to end all peace. But for

00:47:21 --> 00:47:27

the Indians, they could see what a momentously awful thing was being

00:47:27 --> 00:47:31

done, that these places that have been united under their field

00:47:31 --> 00:47:35

effort, and before that, under the Mamluks, for 1000 years or more,

00:47:35 --> 00:47:38

we're now going to become Syria and Lebanon and these strange

00:47:38 --> 00:47:43

borders, dividing people and checkpoints everywhere and

00:47:43 --> 00:47:48

passports. This was this was a monstrosity and really tended to

00:47:48 --> 00:47:54

exacerbate anti Imperial and anti British feelings. So the silk

00:47:54 --> 00:47:59

letter conspiracy is part of that people are really angry. So

00:48:00 --> 00:48:04

they're under arrest in Jeddah. They don't know where they're

00:48:04 --> 00:48:06

going to go. But they assume they're going to be taken to

00:48:06 --> 00:48:10

India. But they're not put on a ship and taken to Egypt. They stay

00:48:10 --> 00:48:15

in a kind of encampment, a prisoner of war place or just

00:48:15 --> 00:48:18

outside Cairo. They're interrogated by a tribunal

00:48:20 --> 00:48:24

where they make the fatal admission that actually the

00:48:24 --> 00:48:28

Turkish rule in the hijackers was a lot better than the Sharif

00:48:28 --> 00:48:32

Hussein. And the verdict on that was that they were disloyal, and

00:48:32 --> 00:48:36

that they should be interned on the island of Malta, the opposite

00:48:36 --> 00:48:40

direction to India. And they're sent with a lot of prisoners of

00:48:40 --> 00:48:46

war, basically, Ottoman loyalists, Ottoman officers, and others,

00:48:46 --> 00:48:52

civil servants who are going to be interned. And the sea voyage is

00:48:52 --> 00:48:56

somewhat dangerous in the submarines and it's it's wartime.

00:48:56 --> 00:49:01

But Mawlana, for saying Ahmed has a piece of the turban cloth of

00:49:01 --> 00:49:06

* him dadullah, tears it up and gives one to each of the members

00:49:06 --> 00:49:12

of the group for tobacco cat in order to keep them safe during the

00:49:12 --> 00:49:13

sea passage.

00:49:15 --> 00:49:18

So he arrives in Malta, and it's a huge prisoner of war camp about

00:49:18 --> 00:49:21

3000 prisoners of lots of different nationalities, this kind

00:49:21 --> 00:49:26

of Prussians with monocles as well as Syrian patches. Everybody has

00:49:26 --> 00:49:31

their four layers of barbed wire outside it's like, like cold. It's

00:49:32 --> 00:49:39

really multinational. And the pro Ottoman Egyptians and Syrians,

00:49:39 --> 00:49:44

Lebanese Palestinians, as well. So they organize a mosque, they get

00:49:45 --> 00:49:50

prison blankets, and do they create a mosque, and Syrians will

00:49:50 --> 00:49:54

Ottoman patriots managed to stitch together an ottoman flag and keep

00:49:54 --> 00:49:58

raising it to the annoyance of the British guards and it's the usual

00:49:59 --> 00:50:00

situation and then

00:50:00 --> 00:50:03

A prison where there are interrogations and then spies and

00:50:03 --> 00:50:07

stole pigeons and petitions are coming from India because these

00:50:07 --> 00:50:10

are like the best known Muslim scholars in India. So, people are

00:50:10 --> 00:50:13

writing to the British saying you can't arrest

00:50:15 --> 00:50:16

our Mo learners.

00:50:21 --> 00:50:25

His father is Habibullah Habibollah, of course is still in

00:50:25 --> 00:50:31

Medina eking out a living when the Sharif Hussein's forces after the

00:50:32 --> 00:50:37

siege of Medina, which is a very kind of heroic event and the last

00:50:37 --> 00:50:41

train to leave Medina railway station going north when the

00:50:41 --> 00:50:45

Sharif Hussein's forces besieging the city it has

00:50:47 --> 00:50:52

they take the relics of the Prophet's mosque with the Prophet

00:50:52 --> 00:50:56

sword and his turban and artha and the battle cat that have always

00:50:56 --> 00:51:01

been kept in the, in the harem in Medina, taken up and those

00:51:01 --> 00:51:05

everybody's weeping. And of course, they're still in Istanbul

00:51:05 --> 00:51:10

to this day where you can see that that Siege is something worth

00:51:10 --> 00:51:14

reading about. But the shooting for saints forces take over. And

00:51:14 --> 00:51:15

so

00:51:16 --> 00:51:18

Maulana Habibollah is arrested.

00:51:19 --> 00:51:24

But he's, he's arrested by the Turks That's right, as a British

00:51:24 --> 00:51:30

subject under suspicion, and he's taken off to a dinner in European

00:51:30 --> 00:51:36

Turkey, where he dies. And the news gets to Nana, Jose Madani in

00:51:36 --> 00:51:40

Malta, and of course, is greatly affected by this. But by this

00:51:40 --> 00:51:44

time, the hijas has been taken Palestine has been taken the two

00:51:44 --> 00:51:47

battles of Gaza, the first one, the

00:51:48 --> 00:51:53

Ottomans are victorious. And then when they're defeated, and from

00:51:53 --> 00:51:57

that time, really, Gaza, which used to be just an ordinary Syrian

00:51:57 --> 00:52:01

sleeping place has become one of the great tragedy zones on Earth.

00:52:02 --> 00:52:05

And somehow these these all on that the Muslims who saw the

00:52:05 --> 00:52:09

collapse of this ancient traditional order, somehow

00:52:09 --> 00:52:13

intuited the human catastrophes that were to come on in our time

00:52:13 --> 00:52:17

still goes on look at the Governability of Syria and Iraq.

00:52:17 --> 00:52:20

And it's all from that period.

00:52:21 --> 00:52:27

Iraq, under the Ottomans for 400 years didn't have a single major

00:52:27 --> 00:52:32

episode of sectarian conflict. Not one, the Ottoman sometimes used to

00:52:32 --> 00:52:36

send persons of gold to endow the Shiite shrines at Karbala and

00:52:36 --> 00:52:41

Najaf and the Castlemaine that was just kind of normal. They were

00:52:41 --> 00:52:42

just neighbors.

00:52:43 --> 00:52:47

And now look at it. So there was something of an intuition in many

00:52:47 --> 00:52:50

Muslim souls at the time that some kind of great darkness is coming.

00:52:53 --> 00:52:53

So

00:52:56 --> 00:52:56

Malena

00:52:58 --> 00:53:03

Mallanna is working away Nakamoto Huson. And they have access to pen

00:53:03 --> 00:53:08

and paper. So this is where Marlon Hossein Madani completes his great

00:53:08 --> 00:53:12

commentary on Buhari, which is a very monumental work.

00:53:13 --> 00:53:19

But they do a lot of vicar, and they have a very holy presence. So

00:53:19 --> 00:53:24

the British guards when they go past them, couldn't stop taking

00:53:24 --> 00:53:27

their hats off to them, which is not prison regulations at all,

00:53:27 --> 00:53:31

you'd find a guard in strange ways sort of taking his hat off to a

00:53:31 --> 00:53:33

particular prison unless it's a mafia boss who can threaten him

00:53:33 --> 00:53:37

but just out of respect for a prisoner doesn't. prison

00:53:37 --> 00:53:39

environment isn't like that. Sometimes the British guys would

00:53:39 --> 00:53:44

even bow to moaning or saying afterward, because holiness has an

00:53:44 --> 00:53:48

effect that people have an extraordinary charisma and some of

00:53:48 --> 00:53:54

the Syrian prisoners that mostly from the Ottoman Navy took ber

00:53:54 --> 00:53:59

with him and Atari and started to spread in Syria so we have another

00:54:01 --> 00:54:04

let's listen to his words again.

00:54:20 --> 00:54:22

Magic routine materialized

00:54:27 --> 00:54:28

we actually have

00:54:30 --> 00:54:33

a book as Irani Mata, it's an order but there's an English

00:54:33 --> 00:54:36

translation we have it and CMC library upstairs which is a very

00:54:36 --> 00:54:40

detailed account in a kind of traditional philosophy, law

00:54:40 --> 00:54:43

monarchy genre, it's like his miracles and the people who

00:54:43 --> 00:54:47

converted his hands and it's a spiritual prison diary.

00:54:49 --> 00:54:50

So

00:54:51 --> 00:54:56

later on one and a half note, writing about his teacher wrote

00:54:56 --> 00:54:59

this in short, the truth of the matter is that no learner not

00:54:59 --> 00:55:00

model has

00:55:00 --> 00:55:03

son in his whole life, had never had such an opportunity for

00:55:03 --> 00:55:07

spiritual work in a progress and intimacy with His True Beloved,

00:55:07 --> 00:55:11

like the days of his state on Malta. It was a true gift from

00:55:11 --> 00:55:15

Allah for achieving the stages of inner progress. The eternal writer

00:55:15 --> 00:55:18

made this journey and this imprisonment the means for

00:55:18 --> 00:55:21

achieving the stages he had fixed for him from eternity. And what's

00:55:21 --> 00:55:25

achieved He sent him to his homeland and then summoned him

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

so well enough to say an armored,

00:55:29 --> 00:55:33

who's a very apt student by now learns Turkish while he's here,

00:55:34 --> 00:55:39

and completes finally his fifths of the or n, and is really well

00:55:39 --> 00:55:42

known for showing and being esteemed by all the prisoners for

00:55:42 --> 00:55:48

having amazing compassion for them all. So, another text from this

00:55:48 --> 00:55:49

amazing diary

00:56:01 --> 00:56:05

so this is what he writes later on. Among these 3000 some are

00:56:05 --> 00:56:08

Muslims, some Christians, some Jews and Catholics are more black,

00:56:08 --> 00:56:11

some white, some Eastern, some Western, some civilians and

00:56:11 --> 00:56:15

military, some Asian some Africans and Europeans and Turkish but

00:56:15 --> 00:56:19

trouble joined all in such a bond, that each was ready to sacrifice

00:56:19 --> 00:56:22

his life. And in his heart, everyone breathed wellbeing for

00:56:22 --> 00:56:26

the other. This was an extraordinary vision, as if the

00:56:26 --> 00:56:28

differences of religion nation and Homeland had completely

00:56:28 --> 00:56:32

disappeared from the human world, as if each was the other's real

00:56:32 --> 00:56:36

brother. Everyone viewed the English officers and soldiers with

00:56:36 --> 00:56:39

your anger, but looked at each prisoner with an eye of dignity

00:56:39 --> 00:56:40

and respect.

00:56:42 --> 00:56:47

So this goes on 11th of November, of course, the 11th hour of the

00:56:47 --> 00:56:53

11th day of the 11th month, the armistice is signed and the guns

00:56:53 --> 00:56:58

for silent are they expect to be released because they're getting

00:56:58 --> 00:57:02

newspapers to know what's going on. But the Arab Bureau in Cairo,

00:57:03 --> 00:57:07

which is planning this new British French suzerainty over Middle

00:57:07 --> 00:57:11

Eastern is also interested in India, because Aidan is for a long

00:57:11 --> 00:57:13

time administered through from Bombay

00:57:16 --> 00:57:20

decides not to release them because they are undesirable.

00:57:21 --> 00:57:25

Indians and Mohammed and malcontents, they haven't actually

00:57:25 --> 00:57:28

been able to convict them of anything, just kind of hearsay

00:57:28 --> 00:57:32

rumor. We think you're in this match list with the Ottoman Pasha.

00:57:32 --> 00:57:34

And we think that you've been corresponding with albedo last

00:57:34 --> 00:57:37

Sunday, and why did he send you this letter, but they can't

00:57:37 --> 00:57:41

actually convict them of anything. In 1920. Finally, because there's

00:57:41 --> 00:57:44

no evidence at all, and there's a lot of pressure coming from Indian

00:57:44 --> 00:57:46

Muslims they are released.

00:57:48 --> 00:57:52

from Malta back to India, it takes them three months. Chaos after the

00:57:52 --> 00:57:56

war, the Middle East is an uproar. They didn't have any money. But

00:57:56 --> 00:58:00

they met by a rapturous crowd and welcoming party at the docks in

00:58:00 --> 00:58:05

Bombay, Ghandi as they're the Deobandi leaders and also

00:58:05 --> 00:58:09

activists of a new movement called the healer foot movement, which is

00:58:09 --> 00:58:14

an Indian Muslim movement concerned at British and

00:58:14 --> 00:58:20

ultimately command list plans to abolish the Khilafah itself in

00:58:20 --> 00:58:22

order to facilitate British rule.

00:58:24 --> 00:58:30

He didn't go back to Medina. But his experience in prison has

00:58:30 --> 00:58:32

turned him into a kind of activist Mowlana

00:58:34 --> 00:58:37

that Indian Muslims in this time of the philosophic movement are

00:58:37 --> 00:58:41

very alienated by clear British anti automatism.

00:58:42 --> 00:58:46

Now, before this time, the idea of the Caleb the Khalifa had never

00:58:46 --> 00:58:49

really been a very big idea in India.

00:58:51 --> 00:58:57

Until the early 16th century, the deadly soul times tall knocks and

00:58:57 --> 00:59:01

so forth, had had the Khalifa. There are Basset Khalifa, who at

00:59:01 --> 00:59:05

this time was living in a kind of exile in a palace in Cairo,

00:59:05 --> 00:59:09

mentioned in Hotspurs. But otherwise, it wasn't really alive

00:59:09 --> 00:59:10

principal.

00:59:12 --> 00:59:16

And some of the Mogul the Mogul saw times had made key level

00:59:16 --> 00:59:20

claims for themselves, that they list of titles was so gigantic

00:59:20 --> 00:59:23

Lord of the sun and the moon, all of that Lord of the Eastern the

00:59:23 --> 00:59:27

West, master of the horizons, master of 1000 elephants. By the

00:59:27 --> 00:59:31

time he got to khalifa, nobody was reading that far, so it wasn't

00:59:31 --> 00:59:35

really part of their legitimation. In the medical world, of course,

00:59:35 --> 00:59:38

they're aware that it was a claim made by the Ottoman assault, and

00:59:38 --> 00:59:43

particularly the 18th and 19th century, as an Ottoman military

00:59:43 --> 00:59:46

fortunes started to wane.

00:59:47 --> 00:59:51

So, the British then had this idea

00:59:52 --> 00:59:56

that the Sharif Hussein could be induced to declare himself to be

00:59:56 --> 00:59:59

Khalifa and could then bring the whole Arab world and maybe the

01:00:00 --> 01:00:04

whole Islamic world into British allegiance. There are letters from

01:00:04 --> 01:00:08

him that indicate this been released in the India office

01:00:08 --> 01:00:12

archives. So in 1919, something called All India feel effort

01:00:12 --> 01:00:17

movement was founded out of anger, the kind of slicing up of the Arab

01:00:17 --> 01:00:20

world, the Balfour Declaration, what was going to happen to

01:00:20 --> 01:00:25

Palestine, and they were supported by Gandy as well. And Maulana

01:00:25 --> 01:00:29

Muhammad Al Hassan declared his support was given the title

01:00:29 --> 01:00:33

Schakel Hynd. And they lent their weight to many of the early

01:00:33 --> 01:00:37

Gambian campaigns of civil disobedience, not buying British

01:00:37 --> 01:00:43

products and not standing up with a European into the room, that

01:00:43 --> 01:00:44

kind of thing.

01:00:45 --> 01:00:48

partnered with a lot of other Muslims, including, interestingly,

01:00:48 --> 01:00:51

some Cambridge educated Muslims, somebody called sayfudine

01:00:51 --> 01:00:55

KISSFLOW. I probably pronounced that wrongly it was at Peter house

01:00:55 --> 01:00:56

here in the

01:00:57 --> 01:01:01

late 19th century, there's something called the Cambridge

01:01:01 --> 01:01:06

Majlis here, which was founded in about 1891 for not just Muslim,

01:01:06 --> 01:01:09

but there are a lot of Muslims and Indian students who were in

01:01:09 --> 01:01:10

Cambridge, and they would get together and

01:01:12 --> 01:01:15

talk society politics, talk about the aspirations later on, there

01:01:15 --> 01:01:17

was an Oxford metrics as well.

01:01:19 --> 01:01:22

People like Mallanna use Yusuf Ali when he was in Cambridge to

01:01:22 --> 01:01:27

translate with the current users and John's College, Cabal, we're

01:01:27 --> 01:01:31

all kind of, as it were graduates of the circle of Cambridge based

01:01:31 --> 01:01:33

Muslim intellectual. So

01:01:35 --> 01:01:38

this is an opportunity for the Mowlana to engage with some of the

01:01:38 --> 01:01:42

more kind of Western educated Muslims in India who are

01:01:43 --> 01:01:47

often much more active as nationalists than to Allah that

01:01:47 --> 01:01:52

were, who tend to prefer the traditional distance that that

01:01:52 --> 01:01:54

alone that maintain from the assault on

01:01:56 --> 01:02:05

the British like this, and in Karachi, he is tried for anti

01:02:05 --> 01:02:12

British agitation, and true to the principles of non cooperation.

01:02:14 --> 01:02:16

They refuse to stand for the judge.

01:02:18 --> 01:02:21

And they don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the court and he

01:02:21 --> 01:02:25

gets sentenced to two years rigorous imprisonment, which means

01:02:25 --> 01:02:28

that at night is chained and the food is really bad.

01:02:30 --> 01:02:34

Is released two years later, but then in 1924, the heat alpha is

01:02:34 --> 01:02:39

abolished by Ataturk and the movement kind of gets a bit

01:02:39 --> 01:02:45

adrift, it staggers on for a few more years. But this the wind has

01:02:45 --> 01:02:50

gone out of its sails. And also, there's growing dissension between

01:02:50 --> 01:02:54

Hindus and Muslims and Muslim identity politics in India starts

01:02:54 --> 01:02:59

to take on a different tenor. Still limit he's out of prison, he

01:02:59 --> 01:03:03

resumed his anti British preaching and pointing particularly to the

01:03:03 --> 01:03:05

cynical carve up of the Middle East.

01:03:07 --> 01:03:10

And his preaching against communism, because he says that

01:03:10 --> 01:03:15

for the different groups in India, to war on each other simply serves

01:03:16 --> 01:03:19

British colonial interests, because the Raj justifies itself

01:03:19 --> 01:03:23

as the White Man's Burden. If the white man goes, the Indians will

01:03:23 --> 01:03:27

all kill each other as allegedly they did before. And similarly, he

01:03:27 --> 01:03:31

didn't like sunny she disputations, which were quite

01:03:31 --> 01:03:35

shocked. But this time, he was very strong in his disagreement

01:03:35 --> 01:03:39

with the Shia, but he didn't like that to reflect itself in any kind

01:03:39 --> 01:03:40

of communism.

01:03:41 --> 01:03:46

Milan and Maha model hasn't passes away. And he moves off to distance

01:03:46 --> 01:03:51

silhouette, in order to teach Hadith. He has always been really

01:03:52 --> 01:03:56

a man who is not afraid of discomfort and going to out of the

01:03:56 --> 01:04:00

way places. And one of his great delights, according to His

01:04:00 --> 01:04:05

biographers, was just to go to villages and to talk about Islam,

01:04:05 --> 01:04:09

the Quran and the Sunnah of the lives of the great ones. And even

01:04:09 --> 01:04:12

if only half a dozen people came and kind of stood with their

01:04:12 --> 01:04:15

mouths open, sort of on the way to the paddy fields, you'd be really

01:04:15 --> 01:04:20

happy and that was it. He said his his greatest, greatest delight. So

01:04:20 --> 01:04:25

a kind of tab leave is something that he starts as well. And he

01:04:25 --> 01:04:26

creates

01:04:27 --> 01:04:32

a kind of India wide organization for a kind of Ireland based re

01:04:32 --> 01:04:37

Islamization because the Hindu militants have been launching

01:04:37 --> 01:04:42

campaigns to bring very superficially Islamist populations

01:04:42 --> 01:04:47

back into Hinduism. Organizations like the Arya Samaj sending

01:04:47 --> 01:04:51

missionaries, essentially around the countryside to go to people

01:04:51 --> 01:04:56

who have Muslim names, but maybe only nominally Muslim in practice

01:04:56 --> 01:04:59

observing the Hindu calendar, and Hindu deities to read

01:05:00 --> 01:05:01

assimilate them the process of

01:05:02 --> 01:05:08

should be back into Hinduism. So movements like the Tablighi Jamaat

01:05:08 --> 01:05:14

and Mawlana Hossein Madden, his organization are very much part of

01:05:14 --> 01:05:17

the pushing back against this Hindu

01:05:18 --> 01:05:21

militancy, and that organization also

01:05:23 --> 01:05:29

tries to fight some on Islamic practices. So, he has this idea

01:05:29 --> 01:05:32

that the Muslim birthrate is smaller than the Hindu birthrate

01:05:32 --> 01:05:37

in India, because Muslims marry later, and because sometimes they

01:05:37 --> 01:05:40

didn't marry at all. And the reason for that is cultural

01:05:40 --> 01:05:42

expectations about extravagant weddings.

01:05:43 --> 01:05:47

So he issues a series of factors indicating what a true Islamic

01:05:47 --> 01:05:50

wedding should be, and the money you save, should be used to

01:05:50 --> 01:05:54

establish yourself in a business or some other Halal form of

01:05:55 --> 01:05:58

income. And that's one of the things that he is

01:05:59 --> 01:06:00

remembered for.

01:06:02 --> 01:06:04

Of course, it's still very much in the Deobandi orbit.

01:06:07 --> 01:06:11

The head of the Lawndale band amalan, Anwar Shah Kashmiri

01:06:12 --> 01:06:17

goes off to establish another big one or more in Gujarat. And Alana

01:06:17 --> 01:06:22

Hossain Ahmed is invited to take his place and be the the grand

01:06:22 --> 01:06:23

Rector of this

01:06:24 --> 01:06:28

extraordinarily prestigious institution. He doesn't

01:06:28 --> 01:06:33

particularly want to do it, but he says, if you agree to my 27

01:06:33 --> 01:06:38

conditions, all right, I will, I will come and one of those

01:06:38 --> 01:06:42

conditions is that don't longdale band will not stand aloof from

01:06:42 --> 01:06:47

anti British campaigning in India. So the kind of quietest on on that

01:06:47 --> 01:06:50

to be sidelined. And he also includes other conditions such as

01:06:50 --> 01:06:56

he says, haven't seen this in a recent academic contract. If I

01:06:56 --> 01:06:57

have to miss a lecture,

01:06:58 --> 01:07:02

the regulations must specify that that is to be deducted from my

01:07:02 --> 01:07:03

salary.

01:07:04 --> 01:07:08

So it's the kind of purist approach and they say, all right,

01:07:08 --> 01:07:10

and they let him in and he becomes

01:07:12 --> 01:07:17

rises to this position of considerable eminence. Now, the

01:07:17 --> 01:07:21

automat by this time are being contested in their claim to be the

01:07:21 --> 01:07:25

natural leaders of the Ummah by different kinds of organisations.

01:07:25 --> 01:07:28

You've got the Muslim League, starting up with gin. Now, who is

01:07:28 --> 01:07:32

this Lincoln's in? educated, very anglicized

01:07:34 --> 01:07:38

individual who, as far as anybody can tell, is not particularly

01:07:38 --> 01:07:42

religiously, observant, and it's really more at home with sort of

01:07:42 --> 01:07:48

anglicized and British elites than with traditional Muslims, with a

01:07:48 --> 01:07:50

kind of nationalistic idea.

01:07:51 --> 01:07:52

And then you have

01:07:55 --> 01:08:00

this idea of a kind of romantic Muslim nationalism,

01:08:02 --> 01:08:07

influenced by all of the ideas and visions, and sometimes quite

01:08:07 --> 01:08:10

interesting insights that he picked up here in Cambridge and

01:08:10 --> 01:08:10

elsewhere.

01:08:13 --> 01:08:17

And like, gymnastic, he's not really at ease with the Alanna.

01:08:18 --> 01:08:22

And then you've got Mel Dodi who more or less openly disrespects

01:08:22 --> 01:08:23

the all of that,

01:08:24 --> 01:08:28

and says that they are obscurantist, and they have veiled

01:08:28 --> 01:08:32

the shining face of the Quran and the Hadith with all of their

01:08:32 --> 01:08:38

hairsplitting. disputations. And that he Malgudi writes that

01:08:38 --> 01:08:41

because of an inner light, he is able to tell whether a hadith is

01:08:41 --> 01:08:45

strong or weak, just by looking at it, he doesn't need to go to all

01:08:45 --> 01:08:49

of the polymers yellow books about Joshua and toddy eland assessing

01:08:49 --> 01:08:52

isn't it? He can tell spontaneously and this of course,

01:08:52 --> 01:08:56

completely short circuits, the whole traditional mechanisms of

01:08:56 --> 01:09:00

Islamic scholarship. So there's these three groups who are Muslim

01:09:00 --> 01:09:05

groups that are kind of not on the side with the the Alannah and

01:09:05 --> 01:09:07

competing with them for popularity.

01:09:10 --> 01:09:12

Most of the automatic groupings

01:09:13 --> 01:09:17

are aligning themselves with Congress in the movement for the

01:09:17 --> 01:09:22

Indian National Liberation against the British especially see rod,

01:09:22 --> 01:09:27

which is a big group and most of its territories are now in what's

01:09:27 --> 01:09:32

called Pakistan nowadays, which is very much a kind of Paul relief

01:09:32 --> 01:09:36

type, scholars activist organization very much in the

01:09:36 --> 01:09:42

Chishti tradition. We're particularly active in upholding

01:09:42 --> 01:09:42

the

01:09:43 --> 01:09:47

rights of Muslims in Kashmir, which was a Muslim majority

01:09:47 --> 01:09:50

province, but under Hindu Raja, and they were historically quite

01:09:51 --> 01:09:54

quite browbeaten and then you've got the famous movement of

01:09:54 --> 01:09:59

Abdullah far Abraca for Han, amongst the protons who improbably

01:10:00 --> 01:10:04

For a Putana creates a kind of Islamic pacifism in order to

01:10:04 --> 01:10:06

resist the British.

01:10:07 --> 01:10:10

But the Muslim League is the group that seems to be growing fast,

01:10:11 --> 01:10:16

even though gymnasts natural habitat tends to be with with the

01:10:16 --> 01:10:18

aristocratic. So do you know who's talking to westernized

01:10:18 --> 01:10:22

intellectuals, aristocratic and princes from the princely states,

01:10:22 --> 01:10:26

whereas the colonists support tends to come from the grassroots.

01:10:31 --> 01:10:37

The British are also emphasizing that the role in India is to as it

01:10:37 --> 01:10:41

won't be referees between two competing teams and that, but for

01:10:41 --> 01:10:46

the referee, the rules would be cast aside and mayhem would ensue.

01:10:46 --> 01:10:53

And they do a lot to promote, particularly the the zealous sides

01:10:53 --> 01:10:59

of Hindu nationalism and Muslim nationalism. And the story is

01:10:59 --> 01:11:01

still coming out. But it's becoming evident now that

01:11:02 --> 01:11:06

Whitehall's role was quite a nefarious one at a time when

01:11:06 --> 01:11:09

Churchill, for instance, is absolutely determined and

01:11:09 --> 01:11:15

desperate that India would remain the jewel in the kernel. So 1937

01:11:15 --> 01:11:19

was in madonie, writes a book with the head Muttahida commit our

01:11:19 --> 01:11:24

Islam, which is an interesting document in that it is really

01:11:25 --> 01:11:30

written from a very classical Hanafi matterI perspective,

01:11:30 --> 01:11:35

explaining what Islam actually could make of nationalism,

01:11:37 --> 01:11:41

which is the dominant ideology in the world at the time, whether of

01:11:41 --> 01:11:44

the left or of the right, and certainly the way in which anti

01:11:44 --> 01:11:49

colonialism was expressing itself. If the movement against the

01:11:49 --> 01:11:50

British in India

01:11:51 --> 01:11:55

is a nationalism, what should be the role of the automat? When

01:11:55 --> 01:11:58

nationalism is something that comes out of the European

01:11:58 --> 01:12:03

experience? What on earth can be our role in this to just go along

01:12:03 --> 01:12:07

with it? Can we find ways of justifying it in the Quran? Or the

01:12:07 --> 01:12:10

Sunnah? Or do we have to oppose it?

01:12:11 --> 01:12:14

Or do we have an alternative vision so he proposes a kind of

01:12:14 --> 01:12:19

alternative vision, and he is very much targeting these different

01:12:19 --> 01:12:20

voices.

01:12:21 --> 01:12:26

Akbar Jinnah and also Mel DoDI, who he sees as people who are

01:12:26 --> 01:12:29

speaking for Islam, but not really with a sufficient knowledge base

01:12:29 --> 01:12:30

and sufficient

01:12:31 --> 01:12:33

authorization

01:12:34 --> 01:12:37

and continuity with the classical past. So in many ways, it's a

01:12:37 --> 01:12:42

restatement of the classical, even medieval Islamic understanding of

01:12:42 --> 01:12:44

how government works.

01:12:47 --> 01:12:50

And if Baal writes a poem, attacking him,

01:12:52 --> 01:12:55

is quite sick by this time he dies the next year, but he writes a

01:12:55 --> 01:13:00

Persian poem in which he calls the head of the norm, del band, the

01:13:00 --> 01:13:01

Abu Lahab have the time

01:13:02 --> 01:13:05

because it's apparently opposing the word of the Holy Prophet,

01:13:05 --> 01:13:11

which is about the Muslims of the Ummah and the traditional way. But

01:13:12 --> 01:13:12

and then

01:13:14 --> 01:13:18

he writes a counter refutation and his basically his his

01:13:18 --> 01:13:22

understanding in India because by this time, things are looking

01:13:22 --> 01:13:25

quite dire. And he certainly doesn't want the region to be

01:13:25 --> 01:13:28

divided the way the British divided the Middle East, which

01:13:28 --> 01:13:33

seems to be the usual British policy, in power, and when leaving

01:13:33 --> 01:13:38

power, you just divide it up into smaller bits and step back and

01:13:38 --> 01:13:41

watch the fun that

01:13:42 --> 01:13:46

his view is that if you look at the classical Islamic sources, and

01:13:46 --> 01:13:50

set aside sort of journalistic or philosophical and nationalistic

01:13:50 --> 01:13:54

considerations, you find that there are three principles that

01:13:54 --> 01:13:57

should be guiding the all on that looking at this, do we stay with

01:13:57 --> 01:14:01

the British? Do we stay with the United India? Do we support the

01:14:01 --> 01:14:05

idea of cutting into Europe into Muslim and Hindu bits? There's

01:14:05 --> 01:14:09

three points he says. Firstly, the Sunnah validates alliances with

01:14:09 --> 01:14:12

non Muslims. So he talks about the same as Constitution of Medina

01:14:12 --> 01:14:16

that the Holy Prophet fought with the Jews when he arrived there and

01:14:16 --> 01:14:19

there's plenty of other examples you can collaborate politically

01:14:19 --> 01:14:23

with non Muslims. Secondly, Muslims are people of

01:14:24 --> 01:14:28

faithfulness, who keep their promises and are honorable

01:14:28 --> 01:14:29

neighbors.

01:14:30 --> 01:14:36

And thirdly, that Muslims belong in India. Hindu nationalists and a

01:14:36 --> 01:14:39

certain British narrative regard them as legacies of outsider

01:14:39 --> 01:14:44

conquest. But actually they are locals. This is Hindustan is their

01:14:44 --> 01:14:50

country. And the landscape is full of mosques and Zambia's and

01:14:50 --> 01:14:52

graveyards and it's Hindustan.

01:14:54 --> 01:14:59

Muslims are not kind of camping out. So his arguments are

01:15:00 --> 01:15:04

All religious arguments that Islamic arguments. And his concern

01:15:04 --> 01:15:11

is that partition would divide the Muslims into maybe three different

01:15:11 --> 01:15:17

bits that unite the Hindus. So in an attempt to avoid Hindu

01:15:17 --> 01:15:22

predominance in the region, it would actually cement it because

01:15:22 --> 01:15:25

it would be the Muslims who would be divided, and the Hindus who

01:15:25 --> 01:15:27

would be united.

01:15:29 --> 01:15:33

And he also has an aside at Nadodi, who he calls and he's

01:15:33 --> 01:15:36

never really abusive, he doesn't call anybody Abu Lahab. But now

01:15:36 --> 01:15:42

dot equals a journalist, a writer of articles and editorials, who

01:15:42 --> 01:15:47

should not be giving fatwas that is authorized him to give that was

01:15:47 --> 01:15:47

so this

01:15:49 --> 01:15:55

idea of partition to him, looks as if it's going to leave the Muslims

01:15:55 --> 01:15:59

in the lurch and destabilize the region, the way the British

01:15:59 --> 01:16:03

destabilize the French destabilize the Middle East, and is a bitter

01:16:03 --> 01:16:07

experience of seeing the consequences. The first world war

01:16:08 --> 01:16:11

in the Middle East probably informed this this view.

01:16:12 --> 01:16:17

Second World War happens and the future of British rule becomes

01:16:17 --> 01:16:22

even more ambiguous. Subhas Chandra Bose has taken a bit of

01:16:22 --> 01:16:27

the Indian Army to side with the Japanese in the hope that the

01:16:27 --> 01:16:30

Japanese sponsored Indian independence would be the best

01:16:30 --> 01:16:35

thing for the subcontinent. There's, there's 1000s of them,

01:16:35 --> 01:16:39

and they're just waiting in Burma to cross the border into Assam.

01:16:40 --> 01:16:42

The idea being that the Indian population will then rise up

01:16:42 --> 01:16:48

against the white man and welcome the joint Japanese Indian

01:16:48 --> 01:16:52

liberators, which could have happened could have happened and

01:16:52 --> 01:16:55

British were really unpopular, particularly given the

01:16:55 --> 01:16:59

manipulations of the Bengal famine in 1942, which is worth reading

01:16:59 --> 01:17:00

about.

01:17:02 --> 01:17:03

Basically,

01:17:04 --> 01:17:08

the story of the Bengal famine is that in order to prevent the

01:17:08 --> 01:17:11

Japanese from landing on the coasts of eastern India,

01:17:12 --> 01:17:15

the British destroyed the infrastructure of the coasts.

01:17:16 --> 01:17:22

And they also diverted green chips away from India to go to Britain

01:17:23 --> 01:17:28

and also stockpile for a putative Allied invasion of the Balkans.

01:17:29 --> 01:17:32

So Britain was not hungry during the Second World War, despite all

01:17:32 --> 01:17:37

the you vote attacks, but several million Indians basically and in

01:17:37 --> 01:17:41

Bengal, disproportionately Muslims died as a result of those

01:17:42 --> 01:17:47

manipulations of people. If you look out the window of the train,

01:17:47 --> 01:17:51

and there's people starving children and corpses around, you

01:17:51 --> 01:17:55

tend to think twice about the alleged civilizing benefits of

01:17:55 --> 01:17:59

colonial rule. And indeed, there hasn't been a famine in India

01:17:59 --> 01:18:05

since independence, were other Imperial arguments. So that

01:18:05 --> 01:18:10

Muslims have decided or that a decision has to be taken, is it

01:18:10 --> 01:18:15

going to be united Hindustan with Muslims at about 25 or 30% of the

01:18:15 --> 01:18:19

population or is the continent to be divided, which tends to be the

01:18:20 --> 01:18:25

British preference partly as a way of saying, I told you so. 1940 The

01:18:25 --> 01:18:28

Lahore resolution calls for partition.

01:18:30 --> 01:18:31

And

01:18:34 --> 01:18:38

I say that Madani continues with his polemic, he tends to be more

01:18:38 --> 01:18:42

strongly anti British, but also strongly out anti politician. And

01:18:42 --> 01:18:45

you can see in his writings at this time, anxieties about the

01:18:45 --> 01:18:50

nature of modernity itself, the technology, when weaponized is

01:18:50 --> 01:18:54

infinitely more threatening than anything human beings have seen

01:18:54 --> 01:18:59

before. And that the breakdown in order would be unbelievably

01:19:02 --> 01:19:07

calamitous. So he writes about Hindustan as a Muslim land and as

01:19:07 --> 01:19:10

the his of the historic responsibility of Muslims to

01:19:10 --> 01:19:14

remain everywhere in the land in order to continue the just the

01:19:14 --> 01:19:18

process of proselytization and converting people. He even has a

01:19:18 --> 01:19:23

theory that because of Adam's peak and Salon SriLanka, the first

01:19:23 --> 01:19:26

human being on Earth was actually an India but it was a person of

01:19:26 --> 01:19:29

Tawheed. So in a sense, the Muslims were in India before the

01:19:29 --> 01:19:33

Hindus came along. So to say is the Hindu nationalist that Muslims

01:19:33 --> 01:19:37

are kind of foreigners doesn't really make much sense. The

01:19:37 --> 01:19:41

Muslims are the original Indians. And the VirtIO in India is all

01:19:41 --> 01:19:45

prophetic. It comes from the north Mohammadi. And he also has an

01:19:45 --> 01:19:47

interesting argument, I'm not quite sure what to make of it,

01:19:47 --> 01:19:53

that when Indians die, if they're Hindus, they're cremated and they

01:19:53 --> 01:19:57

kind of leave the Earth. But when Muslims die, they're buried in the

01:19:57 --> 01:19:59

land of India and therefore the land is kind of full of

01:20:00 --> 01:20:02

Muslim Muslim Nanda.

01:20:04 --> 01:20:08

Interesting. So more attacks on male Daudi as a kind of

01:20:09 --> 01:20:14

philosopher, and somebody who's unwilling to understand that so

01:20:14 --> 01:20:18

much of Islam is about recognition of local particularities, the

01:20:18 --> 01:20:21

orphan that harder was modeled, he tends to be purist and

01:20:21 --> 01:20:26

ideological. And so nobody says a normal son can never lead Muslims.

01:20:27 --> 01:20:31

Live Nadodi has been brought up in the Nizam of Hyderabad domains

01:20:31 --> 01:20:35

where than his arm is ruining substantially northern Muslim

01:20:35 --> 01:20:39

population. So he's used to that scenario than the Mowlana says,

01:20:39 --> 01:20:42

What does that mean that you could never have, for instance,

01:20:44 --> 01:20:47

a non Muslim head of the post office or a non Muslim headmaster

01:20:47 --> 01:20:51

of the school or non Muslim, anything with any position of

01:20:51 --> 01:20:57

authority, he just doesn't accept it. And as for the idea of Islamic

01:20:57 --> 01:21:02

rule, and Islamic government and Islamic State, he goes to very

01:21:02 --> 01:21:05

meticulously says there is no consensus amongst all of that as

01:21:05 --> 01:21:09

to how the ideal form of government for Muslims should be.

01:21:10 --> 01:21:14

But one thing that you cannot have is the idea of Islamic law,

01:21:14 --> 01:21:18

becoming enacted as statutory law because the Sharia doesn't work

01:21:18 --> 01:21:22

like that. If you're westernized, you assume Islamic law is like

01:21:22 --> 01:21:27

British law and the legislature to enact it. And it becomes the law

01:21:27 --> 01:21:31

of the land. But Syria doesn't operate like that, because it is

01:21:31 --> 01:21:35

not state law. And it's not one of the capacities of the of the

01:21:35 --> 01:21:37

assault on to enact legislation.

01:21:39 --> 01:21:42

We saw this when he talked about Ebersole defending and how limited

01:21:42 --> 01:21:46

were the actual powers of the Ottoman Sultan, which is

01:21:46 --> 01:21:51

counterintuitive, but it is the case the Sharia is a local common

01:21:51 --> 01:21:51

or

01:21:52 --> 01:21:57

guild based bottom up type of legislation that doesn't have any

01:21:57 --> 01:22:03

kind of overarching control from above. So his having a what we now

01:22:03 --> 01:22:08

call Islamists on those grounds as well. So he gets angry, he writes

01:22:08 --> 01:22:13

traps, like an open letter to the Muslim League, what is the Muslim

01:22:13 --> 01:22:17

League? What is Pakistan? He talks about gingers Islamic

01:22:18 --> 01:22:23

inauthenticity and how his culture is basically British rather than

01:22:24 --> 01:22:29

Islamic. But not all the Allamah agree with him should be Hamid

01:22:29 --> 01:22:32

Osmani and others think that things are going to get so bad

01:22:32 --> 01:22:35

that we do need our independent Pakistan and partition is the only

01:22:35 --> 01:22:43

way. So 1947 He lives to the horrors incredible cyclone of PATA

01:22:43 --> 01:22:47

partition, millions massacred on both sides and DCS.

01:22:49 --> 01:22:52

People getting on trains leaving Delhi and their children left

01:22:52 --> 01:22:57

behind and 70% of the Muslim population of Delhi leaves but he

01:22:57 --> 01:23:01

doesn't leave he urges patients is a summary of the role.

01:23:03 --> 01:23:07

And together with Mallanna Zakaria Candela, we they issue a

01:23:07 --> 01:23:11

proclamation urging Muslims not to leave Delhi since the Great Muslim

01:23:11 --> 01:23:15

city with the great mosques and the great shrines. And there's

01:23:15 --> 01:23:18

Ahmed Ali, that whole infrastructure, how can you

01:23:18 --> 01:23:22

abandon it? How can you leave it to others but still, most Muslims

01:23:22 --> 01:23:27

in Delhi leave and as in Hyderabad, a lot of other formerly

01:23:27 --> 01:23:30

Muslim shaped places in the subcontinent, then that kind of

01:23:31 --> 01:23:34

sad places abandoned.

01:23:35 --> 01:23:42

Partition takes place nonetheless, despite his intentions, and He

01:23:42 --> 01:23:46

then turns down a longtail band into something less political

01:23:46 --> 01:23:52

British are gone. And he focuses more on trying to uplift the

01:23:52 --> 01:23:57

remaining Indian Muslims to a reform of a clock and aim.

01:23:59 --> 01:24:02

And becomes a sort of significant but not political figure in the

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early years of independent India,

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Lady 55, who makes his last Hajj

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and

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just two years before his death, and he's able to go back via

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Lahore by Pakistan to visit his his pupils.

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And then he goes on because the borders were open in those days

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back to Delve and unknowingly to end with a quote that indicates

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that despite the politics and everything, he really should be

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seen as a selfless Sufi watershed. So this is one of the narratives

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of his train journey back from

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back from his Hajj.

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This is

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from

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one of his editors When Hazrat Maulana Madani returned from his

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final hedge

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We came to the station in the horror for the honor of seeing him

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shut off his era. And among those in relationship with him was

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Samsonite and Mohammed RF from District Jang, which in the Punjab

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who accompanied him as far as Dale band. And he told me the following

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story. On the train there was also a Hindu gentleman who experienced

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a call of nature and went to attend to it. Clearly unhappy he

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came right back. If you've been to public toilets in that part of the

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world, you'll understand why he came back and he was still

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uncomfortable. Anyway, hazard Maulana Madani understood what had

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happened, and immediately gathered some empty cigarette packets and a

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jug of water and went and cleaned the toilet.

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Then he said to the Hindu man, please go the toilet is clean,

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perhaps because it was nice, you couldn't see it properly.

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You said Molana. I saw how the toilet was but he got up and went.

01:25:52 --> 01:25:55

You found the toilet wasn't completely clean. He was much

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moved and with great conviction said, Your Honors horizontal

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kindness, cherishing of servants is beyond comprehension. And

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there's so many stories that are told about him of that kind, which

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kind of indicates what sort of person that ilm, who is properly

01:26:11 --> 01:26:17

inflicted by the slog of to so off can be complete selflessness and

01:26:17 --> 01:26:21

complete lack of self regard but concern for others.

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But of course, his vision of a united Hindostan which Islam would

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continue to progress didn't take place. We don't know what the end

01:26:32 --> 01:26:36

game will look like. But with both sides, bristling with nuclear

01:26:36 --> 01:26:40

warheads, and nationalists, louder than ever on both sides, things

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are looking a little bit ominous. But in any case,

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history is in Allah's hands. But it is as well to bear in mind the

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struggles of that generation. Lest we think that religion and

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authentic automat religion in its highest form is about dichotomy

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and polarization because it isn't.

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Adam is Indian as well.

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So thank you very much. I've got to travel shortly, but in short,

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and I will see you all the next installments of these

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leadership lectures. barnacle Olfi call for Salam aleikum wa

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rahmatullah.

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Cambridge Muslim College, training the next generation of Muslim

01:27:27 --> 01:27:28

thinkers

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