Abdal Hakim Murad – Hagar (as) Paradigms of Leadership

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speakers discuss the concept of leadership and how it shaping individual behavior. They also explore the ideal type of a woman for the Islamic culture, including her views on personal and political experiences, mental health, and the beast. legends of Abraham visiting the desert and a woman from Georgia are discussed, with legends of Abraham visiting the desert and a woman from Georgia also mentioned. The holy month is highlighted as a time of crisis, with the importance of the holy month being discussed.

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			Smilla hamdu lillah wa salatu
salam ala Rasulillah li WASAPI
		
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			woman well up.
		
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			We've been considering this
		
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			ethically problematic category of
leadership and smacking down the
		
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			widespread current Muslim tendency
to interpret it in managerial
		
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			terms. From our perspective, this
is something which is a charism, a
		
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			robe of honor, which almost as
part of a kingly procedure is
		
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			vested in us from elsewhere. The
prophetic individual does not seek
		
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			prophecy. The true Monique is born
to his role.
		
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			So we began this series with
deconstructing in what were
		
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			perhaps to some slightly painful
terms, this idea of the managerial
		
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			or the psychological model of
leadership and moved in the
		
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			direction of something to do with
secret charisma, a charism.
		
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			Indeed, carried most reliably by
those who have never hoped for it.
		
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			We saw this in the context of Imam
Shamil, with the conflict forced
		
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			upon him by the fact of Russian
encroachment and also in the
		
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			context of Imam Malik, not wishing
any kind of leadership and indeed
		
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			preferring the torture chamber to
obeying kala for whim.
		
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			We're beginning to look at this
current
		
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			problem with more classically
Islamic and religious eyes, yes,
		
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			if there has to be society, there
must be order, there must be
		
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			structures, there must be a leader
and there must be the lead. But
		
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			the procedure whereby that falls
naturally into place has very
		
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			little to do with the way in which
contemporary democratic politics
		
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			works, or contemporary celebrity
culture works or Contemporary
		
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			Literary eminence or how to become
the CEO of Astra Zeneca and so on,
		
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			it's something new, different
radical and godly.
		
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			What I want to do this time around
and inshallah there will be other
		
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			attempts to look at certain
individuals at an ideal type so in
		
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			our heritage and our imaginary
body forth certain ways in which
		
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			this charism can unwillingly but
rightly be assumed
		
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			is to investigate this in the
context not of imminence but of
		
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			its opposite.
		
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			What ya know, whom are Emerton?
Yeah, don't be a marina la
		
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			Masaharu. We made an Imams leaders
guiding by Our command when they
		
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			had summer when they had patience,
endurance.
		
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			And to be an imam in this Quranic
sense, is essentially to assume an
		
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			excellence that is inward In other
words, to lead oneself to be
		
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			master not of one's destiny.
That's God's business, but at
		
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			least to hold the reins of the
wild, unruly stallion. That is the
		
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			beast within the ego and the
Amara. This is truly the ship
		
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			or the idle week, Neff suka, Letty
Boehner, Jen bake, in the Hadith
		
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			we have to hold your worst enemy
is your ego, which is between your
		
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			two sides.
		
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			Lead that control it subjugated
trample upon it become Moses, and
		
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			you work become Pharaoh.
		
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			Elemental question of religious
ethics, its participants subject,
		
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			the center of just about every
hotbar overcome the lower self. So
		
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			the charism of leadership in
outward structural terms, is
		
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			rightly vested on those who don't
want it because the ego is
		
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			thoroughly under control.
		
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			Unlike the current spectacle, in
one of iress 20 individuals who
		
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			very much are happy to be there
and see themselves as leaders. The
		
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			prophetic model is the opposite of
that it is about unwillingness
		
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			being dragged out of the halwa to
assume this responsibility.
		
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			So leadership of the self. Now
this may also mean that one
		
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			becomes as it were a symbolic
leader rather than a political or
		
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			economic or military leader.
		
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			The figures who continue to
inspire and humble us who are
		
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			listed in Scripture may
		
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			accidentally almost be external
leaders. They may be up there
		
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			somehow with Napoleon and the rest
but that's not really the point
		
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			and that's certainly not why
scripture is citing them instead,
		
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			they are the
		
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			being cited as examples of
individuals, men and women who
		
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			lead themselves and as ideal
types. Moses's actual political
		
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			impact in his time is less
significant than what he means for
		
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			us the archetypes which he is
representing. So they lead us they
		
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			are our leaders.
		
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			Now, there are many forms of this
because there are many types of
		
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			individuals and many aspects of
life in which we need to be led, I
		
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			guess we need leading chemists and
leading doctors and leading civil
		
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			servants. All of that is fine, and
Islam has a way of being in those
		
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			spaces. But there is also a form
of leadership that copes with
		
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			weakness, with marginalization,
with difficulty with brokenness.
		
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			This is why this granite verse,
which I'm proposing is to do with
		
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			leadership, we made them leaders,
		
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			God's decision limnol Sabato, when
they had Sobral, which is the
		
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			essence of overcoming the ego. So
you hold your hand back from what
		
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			the ego craves, and you put your
hand forward to do what you really
		
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			don't feel like doing that
somebody patient endurance.
		
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			So the Sabreen, the people of
patients have to in our narrative
		
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			in our
		
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			Pantheon in our gallery of icons,
individuals who are leaders in
		
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			particular respect has to include
those who coped with and showed
		
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			fortitude
		
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			in the face of adversity from a
position of weakness and from a
		
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			position of inner trauma and
strain.
		
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			And
		
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			this is something that will
particularly hold our attention in
		
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			our own strained times. There is a
lot of brokenness out there. Many
		
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			people carry stings of various
kinds in their hearts. Post
		
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			Traumatic Stress Disorder, has
become almost nonspecific, you
		
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			don't need to pass through a war
nowadays in order to suffer from
		
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			it in some way or another.
		
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			The depression rates, you saw that
Pew report, I think it was last
		
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			week amongst young people.
Universities seem to double every
		
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			five years, mental illness,
anxiety, self harm, darting
		
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			disorders, body image issues,
depression, all of that
		
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			increasing, even though those are
by global standards, build it
		
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			youth.
		
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			They are not half drowned refugees
on the beaches of Sicily, they
		
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			have nice ba positions at
University of Bristol or wherever
		
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			and the world is effectively in
the eyes of most at their feet.
		
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			But there is this damage within
that has happened and particularly
		
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			it seems. And this is exercise to
journalists with particular
		
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			intensity amongst women.
		
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			Germaine Greer, her book, the
whole woman is about this her
		
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			looking back on the feminist
movement, which he still supports,
		
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			and offers some good reasons to
support the old attitudes were
		
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			ugly attitudes.
		
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			But pointing out that the new
YouTube utopia, which was expected
		
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			by the sisterhood in the 50s and
60s is looking pretty dystopian,
		
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			just because of the brokenness
that is out there. The failed
		
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			relationships, the depression, the
self harm, the darting disorders,
		
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			the cutting, all of these things
indicate that whatever modernity
		
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			and its various revolutionary
transformations might have
		
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			brought, whatever doors have been
opened, it has come at some kind
		
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			of psychic cost and she just
reflect on this without offering
		
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			any particularly profound
solutions or diagnosis.
		
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			So what I want to do this time is
to look at
		
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			this idea of how you,
		
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			exemplify solver, therefore, in
the Quran is logic, leadership in
		
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			a position of paradigmatic
weakness, the Quran and the Muslim
		
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			narrative, not just about heroes.
It's not just about the flashing
		
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			of swords in the dawn light as the
enemy come down like the wolf on
		
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			the fold, no, it's leadership.
This is a more embracing, total
		
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			thing.
		
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			So what is it to be exemplar
		
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			Read, this word Imam
		
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			tends to have the sense of being
exemplary. The metaphorical
		
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			leader. These are our spiritual
examples. These are our role
		
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			models, these are our ideal types.
		
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			Now we find when we look at the
female principle, and maybe
		
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			depending on how long these
lectures go on for, we'll look at
		
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			one or two other cases in our
history of ways of protecting
		
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			one's Muslim this in a
paradigmatically feminine mode,
		
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			that we have this
		
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			interesting and helpful Hadith,
which indicates that there have
		
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			been four perfect women. In other
words, four modalities of
		
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			leadership. That doesn't mean
there's only been four women in
		
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			history who have reached the limit
of their potential God is
		
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			gracious,
		
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			it means that there's four
modalities.
		
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			And more he didn't even Araby who
likes to reflect on these things
		
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			because of his idea of the Divine
Pleroma manifested through the
		
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			perfection perfected qualities of
certain human types. And yes,
		
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			there's also HECM, in which he
lists the organic prophets, each
		
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			of whom is a particular way of
prismatic Lee reflecting the
		
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			single undifferentiated light of
the Divine, producing a different
		
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			spectrum, that also amongst the
feminine, there are alternate
		
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			modalities. And we didn't really
have time because it's going to be
		
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			quite a dense topic to map these
out. But we know that according to
		
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			the standard narratives of this
hadith, the four perfect women,
		
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			usually it's Marian, it's Khadija
it's Fatima
		
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			Isha, and in some narratives also
ESEA who is the believing wife of
		
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			the pharaoh of the Exodus.
		
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			And looking around in the Hadith
literature, you see different
		
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			reasons, why scripture values and
validate them. So there isn't one
		
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			ideal form of being female in our
tradition never has been.
		
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			This has been an issue over the
border in Catholicism, Marina,
		
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			Juana writing her book alone of
all her *, which is put down of
		
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			traditional convert convent to
teaching about the Virgin Mary,
		
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			meek and mild, got into Ambrose,
the only woman who ever pleased
		
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			God.
		
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			Passive, receptive, be it done
unto me according to Thy will.
		
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			And not really any other very
significant, salient, constantly
		
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			repeated female types. Apart from
that, in the biblical or the
		
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			Christian narrative. And when you
get into Protestantism, she
		
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			becomes even less significant and
you're left with who knows the the
		
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			pastor's wife or something. It's a
fairly bare landscape. But in
		
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			Islamic context, we have the
salient Hadith for
		
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			Virgin Mary is one of them.
		
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			Very briefly, we might
		
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			identify the type that they
represent as follows the Virgin
		
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			Mary is the one who indeed and she
has so much about her in the
		
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			Quran, Al Imran and sort of Meriam
		
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			she is the one who surrenders to
the Divine Decree,
		
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			and is gifted with the miracle of
an Mercia. Alehissalaam.
		
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			asiyah is the paradigm of the
battered bride, that abused wife.
		
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			The hadith says, when it was woman
is abused by her husband, she
		
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			shall receive the reward of that
which is given to Asya Was that
		
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			him, the wife of the pharaoh of
the Exodus. So there's that
		
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			possibility the patient suffering
wife also
		
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			in the context of Russia world you
have a very different type as well
		
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			very outgoing, extroverted,
scholarly, leading an army into
		
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			battle, answering back a strong,
vivacious, self possessed type on
		
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			recognizable and sadaqa.
		
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			venerated in our tradition,
Khadija, the type of the Earth
		
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			Mother kind of maternal
MetroNorth, but also a paradigm,
		
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			how to overthrow of a woman who is
financially autonomous employing
		
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			men. She's the CEO of her caravan
business or whatever. And if you
		
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			read in modern Muslim feminist
literature or some feminist
		
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			literature, you'll see that she's
one of the types that they
		
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			Like to extol
		
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			whatever we make of this
leadership in a feminine context,
		
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			and Islam is not just a single
thing that has these different
		
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			models of perfection. We're not
talking about approximation
		
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			talking about perfection
		
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			can be let.
		
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			So, this is the complicated point
at which we begin any
		
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			consideration of what it is to be
a leader
		
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			in this very special Imam eight
Islamic conception in terms of the
		
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			feminine half of humanity, Shankar
ecoregional, the sisters of men.
		
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			Now, what I want to do here is to
look at another ideal type. And
		
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			we'll as we proceed on the
journey, see ways in which
		
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			actually she represents aspects of
all of the perfect women who are
		
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			listed in the famous Hadith. And
somebody who is somewhat
		
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			mysteriously veiled in our
heritage, even though unanimously
		
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			recognized as in a sense, the
founder of our heritage.
		
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			When we go to Makkah,
		
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			and we perform the obligation of
homage, the fifth pillar and
		
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			obligation.
		
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			One of the things that we do we
know that it's an Abrahamic
		
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			recreation, it has cosmic and
ontological significance in the
		
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			journey to the center, and it's
full of symbolism.
		
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			Whether or not we understand the
symbolism may not affect the way
		
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			in which it works. Its alchemical
effect on the soul. But one of the
		
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			things that we do as part of the
geometrical unfolding of the
		
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			rituals of the Hadron is not a
geometry in Islamic rituals and
		
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			shells on at least the French
Muslim writer has written about
		
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			the geometry and the symbolism for
the Hydra particularly, is that
		
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			you have
		
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			the plane of Arafat, and you have
the circles around the Kaaba, and
		
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			you have straight lines, which is
say, between suffer and marijuana
		
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			and all of the basic forms of
geometry are there, around the
		
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			cube, the dome of heaven, it's a
kind of perfect enactment of what
		
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			in very ancient primordial times
were taken to be the earthly
		
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			concretization of the
		
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			heaven rooted facts of symmetry
and geometry in the world. And
		
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			when we go through the Hajj, we
are confronted with that, so that
		
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			the heart of that
		
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			is the
		
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			tawaf when we, as it were joined
the circlings of the solar system,
		
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			and we become part of that
circular, gravitational moment
		
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			moths around the flame flame, and
also the say, suffer Mattawa
		
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			with the symbolism that that
entails, and we find that Hotjar
		
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			this year is Rembrandt
		
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			is the foundress of a lot of this.
		
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			And that's an interesting
circumstance. As far as I can
		
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			tell. She is the only woman who
initiated a practice in any major
		
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			world religion.
		
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			That nobody knows it. Safa and
Marwah after all, is the coursing
		
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			of Hotjar looking for water for
her son.
		
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			And she is buried, according to as
Rocky and other historians in the
		
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			hedger
		
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			along with Ismail, as well. It's
called the hedgerow Ismail. This
		
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			is the semicircular walled area,
on one side of the Kaaba, which
		
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			you have to walk around. Otherwise
your toe off is not complete.
		
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			That's actually a tomb. It's a
bizarre when you go there, you can
		
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			go up to the Saudi guards and
explained we're walking around the
		
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			tomb here. Isn't it great.
		
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			But it's legislated is required
that is the Mazhar of Hydra and
		
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			Ismail. And that's a remarkable
honor.
		
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			It is their house.
		
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			Ibrahim Killeen. Allah is very far
away in Hebron, Palestine, but
		
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			those two are there.
		
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			So we find that she's not really
marginal but kind of central in
		
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			the
		
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			the landscape of our religion and
its geography. There she is.
		
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			But the story and every Muslim
child learns the story of her
		
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			abandonment, her desolation, the
difficulty of her solo situation
		
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			in the desert is the theme that I
want to look at today in order to
		
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			present an image of
		
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			a
		
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			of
		
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			human excellence of moral,
spiritual leadership, in the midst
		
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			of a sea of troubles and
disadvantages.
		
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			Now
		
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			you always find with these really
ancient archetypal narratives,
		
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			that the moment you start looking
at them, and start looking at the
		
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			sort of pre echoes of them in
biblical texts, in this case, the
		
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			book of Genesis, and also in the
tafsir literature, that there is
		
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			so much going on that you don't
even know where to start.
		
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			Obviously, if she is kind of the
foundress of Islam,
		
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			sons on site, which is buried
there, the matriarch
		
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			then there has to be something
really gigantically emblematic
		
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			about her that points to a certain
essential feature of Muslim this.
		
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			She's not just some kind of random
Egyptian slave girl who happened
		
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			to be there that doesn't have much
to do with who we are. And what we
		
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			are required to be, necessarily,
as Providence has designed these
		
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			stories and shaped history, there
is something essential about her,
		
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			which tells us something about how
we are and how we are supposed to
		
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			be.
		
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			And it's not just about being
patient, and amazing things will
		
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			happen.
		
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			All of the Quranic prophetic
stories are about that there's
		
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			adversity, you're patient, and
then some great thing happens. But
		
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			there are closest symmetries for a
start this.
		
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			And here is a funny kind of figure
in Western art.
		
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			Because
		
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			they don't quite know what to make
of her. The story is in the book
		
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			of Genesis, such an amazing story.
Genesis is full of amazing
		
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			stories, it's a masterpiece. And
the Western mind is not quite sure
		
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			what to do with her because so
much that seems to be
		
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			still spiritual and noble happens
to her, even though according to
		
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			the normal Jewish and Christian
narrative, she's the kind of
		
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			mother of the Saracens of the
Ishmaelites, of the outcast. And
		
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			so this is always a kind of tense
thing, and much of the basis of
		
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			this art, and it's quite an
extensive
		
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			body of art, it was a popular
theme, especially in the 17th 18th
		
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			century,
		
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			is to do with this.
		
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			God is hearing her in the
wilderness, and there is the
		
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			child's dying and the angel comes.
But this is very interesting to a
		
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			certain type of tragedy oriented,
Western or Christian mind.
		
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			Actually, story doesn't mean much.
Nothing comes with this
		
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			historically. In fact, it's
Harrison's come out of this, which
		
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			is a big problem. So there's that
tension, that the angel is kind of
		
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			saving her for what for millennial
darkness.
		
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			That here you have one of the best
images in just a few pen strokes.
		
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			You have the human drama that the
confidence, the celestial nature
		
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			of angel with a few lines
indicating where the angel has
		
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			come from.
		
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			And there she is, in supplication,
and the child in a state of
		
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			destitute destitution. But those
who know the Bible will say, Well,
		
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			this is extraordinary. Angels
don't actually appear much. And in
		
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			the Bible, they hardly ever appear
to women.
		
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			And in the biblical narrative, she
speaks to God.
		
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			In the biblical narrative, she's
actually the first person ever to
		
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			shed tears.
		
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			A lot of archetypal important
things are happening here. And an
		
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			angel coming to her to announce
what
		
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			well, the angel has already
appeared to Abraham in order to
		
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			give him the very surprising news,
that at the age of 80, something
		
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			with his wife, in a similar age
bracket,
		
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			that they're going to have a son
who will be the heir to the
		
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			covenant and progeny, as numerous
as sons stars in the sky. One of
		
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			those great Genesis moments. And
		
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			Abraham in our narrative, of
course, accepts is with the angel
		
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			comes and the promise is
delivered. And then the angel
		
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			comes and appears to hardware.
Now, if you
		
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			know, your Rembrandt, in your
Christian art, they all are aware
		
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			of the fact that the only other
time anywhere in biblical history
		
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			that anything like this ever
happens is in the story of the
		
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			Annunciation of the Blessed
Virgin.
		
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			There could be that story except
the child already there.
		
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			But the maternal aspect of it that
the sort of natural vulnerability
		
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			of womanhood is there, the fact
that she is for the child and not
		
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			for herself for a progeny. And
then the constellation, the
		
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			amazement produced by an angelic
manifestation. And often, I mean,
		
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			Rembrandt's certainly from the
Protestant Dutch, Puritan world
		
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			knew his.
		
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			His Bible, that narrative in
Luke's gospel, where the angel
		
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			comes to the Virgin Mary
		
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			seems to be constructed. Rembrandt
knew this, and modern scholars
		
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			knew it by people, whoever it was,
Luke's gospel will probably never
		
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			know who knew these stories in the
Old Testament and knew about the
		
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			Annunciation of Hotjar under
certain evidence, symmetries and
		
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			resonances between the two
stories.
		
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			Again, the church is going to have
kind of neuralgic issues over this
		
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			because hedger is supposed to be
the symbol of the unchosen. But
		
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			she gets this kind of Christic
proleptic.
		
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			Foreshadowing, so what else have I
got?
		
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			So many pictures? Yeah, that's
kind of more sort of Baroque
		
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			image.
		
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			And again, but for the fact that
she's already got a baby and think
		
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			well here is the Virgin Mary and
the Annunciation and
		
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			not quite Botticelli, but it's
from
		
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			Italy, the post Renesas
environment. Already slightly
		
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			emotional, sentimental. She's kind
of nicely dressed yet Rembrandt
		
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			has her in rags, it's much more
effective.
		
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			And where is the angel pointing
her?
		
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			Well out to the desert. That's the
point in these stories, not to
		
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			luxuriant and bless it progeny
because she is not heir to the
		
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			promise. She is the root out of
dry ground.
		
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			So the angel is pointing her to
the well, but subsequently to just
		
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			the desert decision lights, as
Ishmaelites become subsequently in
		
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			the biblical narrative, the emblem
of that which is not Israel
		
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			they're the ones who captured
Joseph if you remember the story
		
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			and put leave a beat him up, put
him in the well.
		
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			Take him out of the well take him
off to Egypt, Ishmael light is the
		
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			kind of wild man that emblem of
unchosen, this the non covenanted
		
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			peoples.
		
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			So, take a look at these two
things. This is back in Holland,
		
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			and both by the same artist. Now,
here again, even though these are
		
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			from different periods of his
life, I can't remember which comes
		
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			first.
		
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			That traditional Western,
biblically educated imagination
		
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			necessarily had to conflict these
stories and see them as archetypes
		
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			of different principles that
nonetheless, had parallels and in
		
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			England until 50 years ago,
everybody would know the stories
		
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			and if you heard them, you would
make the comparisons.
		
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			When my father was a child, the
only game he was allowed to play
		
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			on Sundays, were games involving
the Bible. That's how England has
		
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			changed. Now it's Sunday shopping,
like compulsory, but back then you
		
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			had to play scriptural games. And
actually, in his effects, I found
		
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			a little picture, which was a
picture of Hydra and Ishmael in
		
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			the wilderness. People used to 100
years or 50 years ago, give each
		
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			other little pictures of biblical
stories. People lived in the
		
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			Bible. Nowadays, hardly anybody
reads it.
		
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			It said that at the end of his
life, Churchill was given a copy
		
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			of the Bible to read. And he said,
this book is very well written.
		
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			Why is nobody bought it to my
attention before.
		
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			We're not a biblical
		
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			Anglophone community any longer
unless we're American evangelicals
		
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			who tend not to pick up these
things, but something very
		
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			interesting is going on here.
		
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			With Reubens, paintings, of
course, fourth, symbolizes
		
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			something that not least a color
has or is very often represented
		
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			in red. Western art. Why? Because
that's the color of desire. She is
		
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			the concubine. She's the one who
Abraham and Hotjar have kind of
		
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			borrowed to be a kind of surrogate
mother because Sarah's obviously
		
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			passed it. And so she's the new
bile Egyptian teenager, who is
		
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			just
		
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			to produce the child of the flesh,
not the child of the Covenant, so
		
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			red fire desire, whereas the
Virgin Mary Of course, there she
		
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			is being
		
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			brought up to heaven because you
		
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			She can't die being not under the
influence of
		
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			original sin.
		
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			Blue, her natural color is the
color of heaven. That's where she
		
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			belongs. She is Queen of Heaven.
Mater courageous. So this year is
		
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			going up. And of course, she's
looking up to her natural home.
		
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			Hunter is kind of looking down,
she has got a kind of hand, sort
		
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			of pushing away there is Abraham
and Sarah, and the dog barking at
		
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			her, of course, she has to go out
because Sarah now has the child.
		
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			And so no more use for hardware.
And so she gets pushed out into
		
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			just nowhere, the wilderness. And
then the imagination of the
		
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			Genesis authors that would mean
certain death. It's another like,
		
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			cut the throat of your son moment.
It's a binding moment, obviously
		
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			goes with the child into the
desert, where somebody will cut
		
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			her throat or she will die of
thirst and that very nearly
		
00:31:02 --> 00:31:07
			happens of course. So these two
things juxtaposed represent these
		
00:31:07 --> 00:31:12
			perhaps the two most salient women
in the Christian scripture
		
00:31:13 --> 00:31:19
			doing opposite things even though
there are analogies in their
		
00:31:20 --> 00:31:21
			lives. So
		
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			this
		
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			later,
		
00:31:30 --> 00:31:33
			feminine representation of this
great fork in the road of
		
00:31:33 --> 00:31:38
			monotheistic history. Historia
monotheistic
		
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			is something that continues to be
		
00:31:43 --> 00:31:47
			significant, at least in terms of
Jewish and Christian self
		
00:31:47 --> 00:31:53
			understanding. Book of Genesis is
setting up certain tensions and
		
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			tinham is opposites are chosen the
unchosen the Israelite and the
		
00:32:00 --> 00:32:06
			Gentile, the local and the forum,
the fertile the infertile. All of
		
00:32:06 --> 00:32:09
			these opposition's are there in
the book of Genesis and the
		
00:32:09 --> 00:32:12
			subsequent narrative of the Hebrew
scripture in particular, which is
		
00:32:12 --> 00:32:16
			about God's providence to his
people is seen in terms of these
		
00:32:16 --> 00:32:20
			original chosen unchosen
dichotomies, of which perhaps the
		
00:32:20 --> 00:32:25
			most salient is Ishmael and Isaac,
Hotjar. And Sarah because of
		
00:32:25 --> 00:32:27
			course, she's not from the chosen
people because she comes from
		
00:32:27 --> 00:32:27
			Egypt.
		
00:32:29 --> 00:32:33
			Egypt, for the authors of the
Hebrew Bible is the place where
		
00:32:33 --> 00:32:36
			the foreigners live, it's the
place where you're going to exile
		
00:32:36 --> 00:32:38
			someplace where they enslave you,
it's the place where Israel is
		
00:32:38 --> 00:32:43
			persecuted. So as an Egyptian to
bring that blood into the
		
00:32:43 --> 00:32:48
			patriarchal line is kind of my
soldier nation. That's the worst
		
00:32:48 --> 00:32:52
			kind of mixed marriage. So the
logic is, she has to go off, she
		
00:32:52 --> 00:32:58
			has to be ejected into the
wilderness because she's the dry
		
00:32:58 --> 00:33:04
			branch. The true seed in this
amazing Genesis, sort of fork in
		
00:33:04 --> 00:33:10
			the road is the elderly woman
producing a baby. And so, the
		
00:33:10 --> 00:33:14
			firstborn who everybody thought
was going to be it turns out at
		
00:33:14 --> 00:33:19
			the last minute, not to be it, but
the symbol of rejected Agnes.
		
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			So,
		
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			we find in
		
00:33:25 --> 00:33:27
			rabbinic commentary,
		
00:33:28 --> 00:33:34
			the idea of this woman as being a
kind of emblem of everything that
		
00:33:34 --> 00:33:35
			is not right.
		
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			That's that's the sort of Talmudic
narratives.
		
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			So, in one hygienic narrative,
Hadar cleave to Abraham and gave
		
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			birth to Ishmael. But in the end,
she returned to her stench. And
		
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			other Texas has got I got a very
sheet says that she is fertile.
		
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			Not because of a divine blessing.
But because she's a Gentile, she's
		
00:34:03 --> 00:34:06
			Egyptians. They're naturally
promiscuous.
		
00:34:07 --> 00:34:08
			They're like donkeys.
		
00:34:09 --> 00:34:14
			This again, is to do with her
servile slave proletarian origin,
		
00:34:14 --> 00:34:16
			like a donkey. She's made for hard
work.
		
00:34:18 --> 00:34:22
			Sometimes they also came up with
the legend which presented her as
		
00:34:22 --> 00:34:23
			Pharaoh's daughter
		
00:34:25 --> 00:34:30
			who was necessarily enslaved by
the true people. So
		
00:34:32 --> 00:34:33
			we have
		
00:34:36 --> 00:34:39
			this image already before the rise
of Islam and when Islam comes
		
00:34:39 --> 00:34:42
			around, this becomes part of the
rabbinic discussion of who the
		
00:34:42 --> 00:34:47
			Saracens are the Ishmaelites
Yishmael Ilim. They seem to be
		
00:34:47 --> 00:34:51
			very numerous, like the stars in
the sky. They seem to be ruling
		
00:34:51 --> 00:34:54
			the world from the Pyrenees to get
to China and just about
		
00:34:54 --> 00:34:58
			everywhere, where Jews could
prosperously live, but they come
		
00:34:58 --> 00:34:59
			from this
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:07
			Egypt unchosen this Gentile
status. servility ticking all of
		
00:35:07 --> 00:35:10
			the boxes that indicate that
you're not part of the people. All
		
00:35:10 --> 00:35:13
			of the boxes are represented in
her and in the idea that the
		
00:35:13 --> 00:35:17
			Israelites are the Muslims who may
be now ruling the world, but it's
		
00:35:17 --> 00:35:22
			still a kind of fairy onic world,
it's not the world have chosen us
		
00:35:22 --> 00:35:25
			and this becomes very comforting
to
		
00:35:28 --> 00:35:32
			many, so one modern rabbinic
specialist says, in general, the
		
00:35:32 --> 00:35:36
			rabbi's have rushed to blame the
victim. She seems to be the
		
00:35:36 --> 00:35:42
			victim, but actually, that she is
the one on whose head all of the
		
00:35:42 --> 00:35:46
			polemic should fall. So one
contemporary writer
		
00:35:48 --> 00:35:53
			Aviva Zuckerberg, saying why is
Sarah chucking her out to almost
		
00:35:53 --> 00:35:57
			certain death and getting rid of
the sun? Isn't that unethical. But
		
00:35:57 --> 00:36:00
			Sara is characterized as a
righteous woman. It's a preemptive
		
00:36:00 --> 00:36:06
			strike, because she knew what what
a hassle, the Ishmaelites would be
		
00:36:06 --> 00:36:09
			for the chosen people. And
therefore it was right to kill
		
00:36:09 --> 00:36:13
			them in advance because of what
would happen 1000s of years later,
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16
			as a result of his survival.
		
00:36:19 --> 00:36:20
			Then we get
		
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23
			just a few more images.
		
00:36:24 --> 00:36:27
			We're getting into the late 19th
century sentimentality.
		
00:36:29 --> 00:36:35
			Again, this difficulty in the
Western mind is she's an entirely
		
00:36:35 --> 00:36:41
			positive sympathetic figure in the
Jewish Christian scriptures, but
		
00:36:41 --> 00:36:46
			she is also presented as the
emblem of otherness and of
		
00:36:46 --> 00:36:48
			rejection, his more recent image.
		
00:36:50 --> 00:36:51
			What could be more
		
00:36:53 --> 00:36:58
			admirable, this is not the Virgin
Mary, sort of fleeing to Egypt.
		
00:36:58 --> 00:37:01
			Instead, something is happening
the other way around.
		
00:37:02 --> 00:37:08
			She's got her son, Ishmael, but
she is Egyptian. But she has been
		
00:37:08 --> 00:37:14
			ejected from the promised land so
much metaphor is going on here
		
00:37:14 --> 00:37:17
			that of course, the image
continues to attract the attention
		
00:37:17 --> 00:37:19
			of artists and there's her
		
00:37:21 --> 00:37:24
			little break in the corner them.
So then we get
		
00:37:26 --> 00:37:31
			the world of the New Testament.
What are they going to make of
		
00:37:31 --> 00:37:38
			this story and we have one, we
have this text which is in
		
00:37:38 --> 00:37:39
			Genesis,
		
00:37:40 --> 00:37:46
			which then becomes taken up by the
church as an example of otherness,
		
00:37:46 --> 00:37:50
			and in the eyes of Paul, the
otherness of Israel.
		
00:37:57 --> 00:38:01
			Ishmael do we know what the word
means is hark. He laughed, or she
		
00:38:01 --> 00:38:04
			laughed, because of the
improbability of his birth. You
		
00:38:04 --> 00:38:07
			smile God heard in other words
heard
		
00:38:08 --> 00:38:09
			Abraham's prayer
		
00:38:11 --> 00:38:14
			that you have this is one of the
nicest pictures of his Koro again
		
00:38:16 --> 00:38:18
			and the angel just discreetly
visible
		
00:38:21 --> 00:38:24
			doesn't really doesn't really look
like Micah does it but he was
		
00:38:24 --> 00:38:27
			didn't leave France I think so the
best you could do.
		
00:38:34 --> 00:38:37
			Okay, so the Christians looking at
		
00:38:38 --> 00:38:41
			these texts in Genesis, always
looking at them, and particularly
		
00:38:41 --> 00:38:47
			starting with support as examples
of what is going to happen
		
00:38:49 --> 00:38:51
			in future years, and so they had
to
		
00:38:53 --> 00:38:57
			get their heads around this text.
Again, it's very pro Hadrian, pro
		
00:38:57 --> 00:38:58
			Ishmael light.
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04
			Again, the angel is speaking to
her Joe.
		
00:39:07 --> 00:39:10
			What troubles you Hi Joe, do not
be afraid God has heard the voice
		
00:39:10 --> 00:39:13
			of the boy. I will make a great
nation of him.
		
00:39:15 --> 00:39:19
			For St. Paul for Augustan, for
origin for to Italian for all of
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:22
			the Church Fathers who spend a lot
of time working on the scriptural
		
00:39:22 --> 00:39:26
			archetype. This is another
headache. What does it mean a
		
00:39:26 --> 00:39:26
			great nation.
		
00:39:28 --> 00:39:32
			No matter things of course in his
sera book has this is chapter one,
		
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35
			the great nation. Of course,
greatness is greatness in the
		
00:39:35 --> 00:39:39
			Spirit. That's all God is
interested in. So truly a great
		
00:39:39 --> 00:39:46
			nation, the present moment of the
religion, whose center will be the
		
00:39:46 --> 00:39:49
			ancient house in Makkah, which is
her sanctuary.
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:55
			But what are the Christians going
to do with this? Well, what we get
		
00:39:58 --> 00:39:59
			is a
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:06
			One of the strangest rhetorical
stumps pulled by St. Paul,
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:14
			is to turn that on its head, to
say that actually had her and
		
00:40:14 --> 00:40:19
			Ishmael are a coded symbol
representing the Jews who wouldn't
		
00:40:19 --> 00:40:20
			accept Christ.
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:24
			Nothing could have been further
from the minds of those who wrote
		
00:40:24 --> 00:40:27
			those texts in the book of
Genesis, but this becomes the
		
00:40:27 --> 00:40:30
			normative Christian doctrine still
is the Evangelicals when they
		
00:40:30 --> 00:40:31
			think about the story.
		
00:40:32 --> 00:40:34
			It's in his letter to the
Galatians.
		
00:40:36 --> 00:40:38
			Okay, so he gets it gives you the,
		
00:40:39 --> 00:40:40
			the idea of the dichotomy.
		
00:40:42 --> 00:40:48
			Okay, according to the flesh, just
the DNA is inherited. But the DNA
		
00:40:48 --> 00:40:55
			of Isaac is spiritual as well. And
this great fork becomes even more
		
00:40:55 --> 00:41:00
			intensified. But he says Hotjar,
because of her kind of Arabian
		
00:41:00 --> 00:41:02
			southern identity
		
00:41:04 --> 00:41:08
			represents slavery, and hence,
Judaism.
		
00:41:11 --> 00:41:14
			In other words, those Jews who
have rejected Paul's
		
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16
			interpretation of who Jesus was,
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:23
			are actually following the
Israelite
		
00:41:24 --> 00:41:28
			fork in the road. And it's the
Christians who are the true
		
00:41:28 --> 00:41:31
			descendants of Isaac. And it's the
Jews who are the descendants of
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:34
			Ishmael. And that's really what
the story is about. For him at
		
00:41:34 --> 00:41:38
			last is able to make sense of this
thing that seems to lead nowhere.
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:46
			But the Jerusalem that is above
the church is free. And this links
		
00:41:46 --> 00:41:51
			also with his idea of freedom and
slavery, which for him, represents
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:55
			whether or not you submit to the
Mosaic law, that rules
		
00:41:55 --> 00:41:59
			circumcision, and so forth.
Because for him, you'd be baptized
		
00:41:59 --> 00:42:02
			Gentile converts don't have to do
all of that stuff. That's part of
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:07
			slavery to the law. But the
Christian is in a state of gospel
		
00:42:07 --> 00:42:13
			freedom, and therefore, is the
natural psalm of Isaac. Whereas
		
00:42:13 --> 00:42:17
			the those who are descendants of
the slave, are actually now
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21
			identified with the Jewish people,
not with the Ishmaelites. And the
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:24
			Arabs. And this is very
extraordinary and original moment
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:28
			in Paul. And this text in
particular is right at the heart
		
00:42:28 --> 00:42:33
			of modern right wing American Theo
con evangelical reflection on
		
00:42:33 --> 00:42:38
			Islam. They like Paul, I'd like
the rabbi's want an explanation
		
00:42:38 --> 00:42:42
			that's biblical for what's going
on now in the Middle East.
		
00:42:43 --> 00:42:46
			And so they hit on this text with
their own
		
00:42:48 --> 00:42:51
			take on it. This is from an
evangelical website, which puts it
		
00:42:52 --> 00:42:53
			very clearly.
		
00:42:55 --> 00:43:02
			Very, absolutely. On the left, red
traffic lights, all of this is the
		
00:43:02 --> 00:43:02
			bad stuff.
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06
			Earthly enslaved,
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:12
			race, just genealogy,
disinherited. In other words,
		
00:43:13 --> 00:43:17
			it just like little river, going
off into the desert, sinking in
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:20
			and leading to nothing. And then
		
00:43:21 --> 00:43:27
			on this side, you have all of the
good stuff, culminating presumably
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:31
			in the Bible believing modern
Trump voters. This is the kind of
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:35
			mindset that millions and millions
of them are currently working
		
00:43:35 --> 00:43:38
			with. And if you ever cross
swords, metaphorically, with any
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:42
			of them, you'll find that this
dichotomy is the biblical point
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:46
			where they think that they have
cornered Islam. Muslims say that
		
00:43:46 --> 00:43:50
			it centers of hijab, they even go
to where she's buried. And that's
		
00:43:50 --> 00:43:55
			Arabia. And that's the law, Sharia
law, which were banned in
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:56
			Tennessee now, of course.
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:04
			So, Islam is anticipated in the
biblical text by these narratives,
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:05
			whereas
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:08
			God has given the green light
		
00:44:09 --> 00:44:13
			to the country that stretches from
sea to shining sea and the
		
00:44:13 --> 00:44:18
			American special vocation to the
world as a Christian civilization,
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:23
			etc, etc, the normal narrative of
triumphalism and they use this
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:28
			dichotomy, that Ishmael Isaac
dichotomy, and
		
00:44:29 --> 00:44:33
			this has become very significant
in our time, and you find the same
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:33
			thing in
		
00:44:35 --> 00:44:37
			the Russian Orthodox Church as
well.
		
00:44:39 --> 00:44:41
			Because, after all,
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:46
			Islam is post biblical, and if
you've got a biblical worldview,
		
00:44:47 --> 00:44:51
			you're going to find you do have
to resort to this kind of
		
00:44:51 --> 00:44:54
			allegorical interpretation in
order to get anything
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58
			biblical about Islam, whereas
Muslims of course have lots of
		
00:44:58 --> 00:44:59
			stuff in the Quran.
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:05
			About earlier prophets, we already
have an abundance of information
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:07
			and theological perspectives, but
for them dealing with later
		
00:45:07 --> 00:45:12
			religions is a problem, but this
is the text that they have found.
		
00:45:12 --> 00:45:19
			So it leads in this direction.
Hotjar is about foreignness,
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:23
			alienation, flesh, law,
enslavement, desire.
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:31
			Whereas the narrative that leads
up to, usually white American
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:32
			Evangelical
		
00:45:33 --> 00:45:37
			Christians is the line of gospel
freedoms America, the city on the
		
00:45:37 --> 00:45:40
			hill, land of the free, etc. It
all fits as part of this
		
00:45:40 --> 00:45:44
			narrative, which is hugely
influential in today's world and
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46
			affects voting patterns and
foreign policy. And
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:54
			it's an example of the enduring
power of these ancient stories.
		
00:45:55 --> 00:45:59
			However, not everybody who reads
the Bible finds this kind of
		
00:45:59 --> 00:46:01
			violent dichotomy within it.
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:09
			They are somewhat taken aback when
they engage with Muslims. Because
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:13
			Muslims after all are supposed to
be the great dichotomize is that
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:17
			you infidels, them in us, black
and white differentiation. Donal
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:21
			Islam, Darren, horrible. American
Christians seem to be absolutely
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:25
			in that mode. The good guys, the
bad guys, if you're not for us,
		
00:46:25 --> 00:46:28
			you're against us. Bush was very
keen on quoting the Bible.
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:34
			And for a lot of western church
goers and synagogue goes, this is
		
00:46:34 --> 00:46:36
			a bit
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:40
			of a disappointing thing to find
in Scripture is this, ethically
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:43
			the best that the Bible can do
when dealing with the fact of
		
00:46:43 --> 00:46:46
			Ishmael who is now a quarter of
the world's population and
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:46
			counting,
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:52
			and vibrant and active and the
midterms, another couple of
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55
			Muslims were elected to Congress
and Islam is everywhere. And you
		
00:46:55 --> 00:47:01
			can't just say it's the Antichrist
and evil. Dealing with it through
		
00:47:02 --> 00:47:07
			drone strikes, we need something a
little bit better. And when they
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:11
			encountered the Muslim account,
which is that we don't accept ever
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:15
			any kind of dichotomizing between
the two songs, they become quite
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:15
			thoughtful.
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19
			Because we have never had
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:24
			this kind of polarization. We
don't read those stories in those
		
00:47:24 --> 00:47:28
			terms. Were really not very
interested in that strand of
		
00:47:28 --> 00:47:31
			biblical narrative, which is one
of the biggest strands which is
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:32
			about chosen this.
		
00:47:34 --> 00:47:38
			God chooses those who he chooses.
The Holy Prophet is called a
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:41
			Mustafa, the chosen one even
though his from
		
00:47:42 --> 00:47:47
			Hotjar, and not from Sara. so
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:54
			taken aback, wrong footed
embarrassed, and they want to know
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:57
			whether they too can have an
inclusive model, is there some way
		
00:47:57 --> 00:48:02
			in which hardware can be
rehabilitated? Some ways in which
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:04
			you can, as
		
00:48:05 --> 00:48:09
			Tory cabinet puts it, have your
cake and eat it, you have the book
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:13
			of Genesis, but you also have some
kind of inclusive model of
		
00:48:13 --> 00:48:15
			religion, even though those
Genesis narratives were really
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:19
			deliberately and fiscally
constructed, to divide and to
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:25
			differentiate, well, interesting
story of how her gel is received
		
00:48:25 --> 00:48:31
			in modern, Jewish and Christian
readings. So let's whiz through
		
00:48:33 --> 00:48:38
			a few of these, usually, as you
can imagine, in kind of feministic
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:42
			readings of scriptural tradition.
		
00:48:44 --> 00:48:46
			Okay, so here you have a kind of
		
00:48:47 --> 00:48:49
			postmodern reflection.
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:54
			So Augustine, who, as you'd expect
with his love of dichotomies made
		
00:48:54 --> 00:48:58
			a big deal of the unsureness of
agile and
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:05
			accepting Paul's identification of
Hotjar as the the Jewish temple
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:07
			still in the grip of slavery to
the law.
		
00:49:09 --> 00:49:10
			You have this
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:14
			very interesting reflection that
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:21
			as he abandons the whole Judaic
template of allegorical reading,
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:26
			necessarily, the allegory that
Paul is using has to be rejected
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:31
			as well. Paul was schooled in
rabbinical context and the way in
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:34
			which is rereading the Old
Testament as allegory is
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:38
			absolutely recognizable in terms
of first century Palestinian,
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41
			Hellenized, Judaic way of
allegorical reading of the
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:46
			Scripture. So she's kind of
turning the tables on this turning
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:49
			of the tables by saying that you
can't even have that Judaic
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:52
			insistence that everything has to
be a typology
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:56
			and of course, the denial of
		
00:49:59 --> 00:49:59
			Palau
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:04
			Art is one of the key themes of
post modernism.
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:10
			There's an ironic reflection,
which is quite symptomatic of
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:14
			what's happening. Here's another.
And again, this is an African
		
00:50:14 --> 00:50:15
			American feminist writer.
		
00:50:17 --> 00:50:22
			And for her, one of the
interesting things is the Egyptian
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:23
			this of hijab.
		
00:50:24 --> 00:50:29
			And for a lot of black feminists,
that means the African this and
		
00:50:29 --> 00:50:34
			therefore, in some sense, whatever
the exact color, pigmentation of
		
00:50:34 --> 00:50:38
			her skin, African this blackness,
it's the
		
00:50:39 --> 00:50:44
			African continent. And so for a
lot of African American authors
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:48
			now, who are interested in
overturning these biblical
		
00:50:49 --> 00:50:53
			archetypes, hardier has become not
the heroine of a story that
		
00:50:53 --> 00:50:58
			becomes the wrong story, the story
of unpleasantness, but instead, a
		
00:50:58 --> 00:50:58
			heroine.
		
00:51:00 --> 00:51:03
			One of the big things that's
happening in feminist exegesis of
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:08
			the Bible is that their favorite
character in the whole Bible is
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:12
			actually hijab. Even though for
the evangelicals, and the big
		
00:51:12 --> 00:51:18
			church down the road, she is the
matriarch of those pesky Arabs.
		
00:51:19 --> 00:51:22
			That's one of the tensions in
American culture now, particularly
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:27
			in these African American contexts
where there is a lot of reflection
		
00:51:27 --> 00:51:34
			on the legacy of slavery,
exclusion, racism, broken
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:40
			families, single parenthood, inner
pain, trauma, anxiety, depression,
		
00:51:40 --> 00:51:45
			suffering. And so it's a kind of
issue in theodicy, she becomes the
		
00:51:45 --> 00:51:48
			biblical image of the oppressed
woman. So here's some random
		
00:51:48 --> 00:51:53
			quotes from this book, which kind
of focuses on Hotjar and is about
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:56
			solidarity with Outcast woman.
		
00:51:57 --> 00:52:01
			Now, first of all, she points out,
and there's been some interesting
		
00:52:01 --> 00:52:07
			studies on the figure of Hotjar,
in American fiction in the early
		
00:52:07 --> 00:52:10
			mid 19th century, that she's often
a slave name.
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:16
			And that, because of her civility,
and the fact that her civility is
		
00:52:16 --> 00:52:20
			characterized as a right thing for
an Egyptian to be in, that it was
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:24
			one of the big arguments in favor
of slavery in America.
		
00:52:26 --> 00:52:30
			And the idea of Ishmael as the
kind of the legitimate,
		
00:52:31 --> 00:52:36
			legitimate, reject the outcast.
Remember, Moby Dick begins with
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:39
			the words call me Ishmael, because
it's about his sense of outsider
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:43
			status, and that would suddenly be
understood by Bible reading.
		
00:52:45 --> 00:52:45
			America.
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:51
			And then African Americans, as
they have read the Bible, are not
		
00:52:51 --> 00:52:56
			going to go along with the
established exegesis of the slave
		
00:52:56 --> 00:53:02
			owners and their latter day heirs,
but instead have to reread the
		
00:53:02 --> 00:53:07
			Bible in ways that might reject
August in the patristic consensus,
		
00:53:07 --> 00:53:11
			the demonizing of the African, the
single mother, the refugee, the
		
00:53:11 --> 00:53:15
			woman, all of these negative
things, and actually rehabilitate
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:17
			them in a kind of form of
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:22
			liberation theology.
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33
			Okay, so one of the things that
she wants to talk about is the
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:38
			falsity of the civility of the
idea of the civility of Ishmael
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:41
			and hygiene is, of course, a
concern for Muslims as well hijab,
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:47
			while she concubine, slave girl,
bit on the side, legitimate wife.
		
00:53:50 --> 00:53:55
			It's a polemic and particularly in
Muslims who are fighting against
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:58
			the evangelicals who want to say
that talk about the illegitimacy
		
00:53:58 --> 00:54:02
			of slave descent, this has become
an issue. So she comes up with
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:06
			observations like this, that
according to the authors of the
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:10
			book of Genesis, the idea that
Abraham and Sarah might have
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:14
			feared that there might have been
a real inheritance through Ishmael
		
00:54:14 --> 00:54:18
			indicates that Hotjar can't have
been a slave or concubine. But if
		
00:54:18 --> 00:54:22
			she had had that status, there's
no way in which Ishmael would have
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:24
			inherited anything.
		
00:54:25 --> 00:54:27
			So what we're starting to see is,
		
00:54:28 --> 00:54:31
			without there being much reference
to anything Islamic, a kind of
		
00:54:31 --> 00:54:36
			parallelism to what Muslims have
found in these ancient narratives,
		
00:54:37 --> 00:54:40
			and sometimes the parallel is
remarkably close.
		
00:54:43 --> 00:54:45
			So she has now become crucial.
		
00:54:47 --> 00:54:51
			All of these modern tickbox issues
race, * class, she's from
		
00:54:53 --> 00:54:59
			all of those criteria for unchosen
this which the
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:04
			Pre modern Jewish and Christian
consensus assumed made her the
		
00:55:04 --> 00:55:08
			icon of unworthiness are actually
the kind of things which would
		
00:55:08 --> 00:55:14
			have left inclined American
activists are most concerned
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:14
			about.
		
00:55:15 --> 00:55:18
			So it's quite a radical
overturning of the former
		
00:55:18 --> 00:55:22
			consensus. The fact that she is
African, the fact that she is
		
00:55:23 --> 00:55:27
			female, the fact that she is a
slave, the fact that she's
		
00:55:27 --> 00:55:32
			servile, proletarian subjects,
single mother, all of those things
		
00:55:32 --> 00:55:36
			indicate that instead of being the
kind of mysterious antihero of the
		
00:55:36 --> 00:55:39
			Bible matriarch of unchosen, this,
she's actually
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:46
			their favorite figure of the
entire biblical text. So again,
		
00:55:46 --> 00:55:49
			one of the biggest things that has
happened
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:55
			in biblical interpretation in
recent years now, here is
		
00:55:57 --> 00:56:00
			the mainstream if you'd like
Steven Kipnis, got a significant
		
00:56:00 --> 00:56:04
			Jewish thinker, reflecting on
this. And of course, with one eye
		
00:56:04 --> 00:56:07
			on the catastrophes of the Middle
East and the haves and the have
		
00:56:07 --> 00:56:11
			nots, eyeballing each other
through the Gaza fence and the
		
00:56:11 --> 00:56:13
			extreme polarities of
		
00:56:15 --> 00:56:20
			the modern reality of this ancient
Abrahamic dichotomy.
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:23
			This is
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:27
			a way in which he reflects on
this, it's not the major theme of
		
00:56:27 --> 00:56:29
			the book, which is quite
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:34
			synthetic in general. But of
course, he has to refer to it.
		
00:56:35 --> 00:56:36
			How the Other
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:43
			in Hebrew how God the other, who
comes from Egypt, land of exile
		
00:56:43 --> 00:56:47
			and slavery, the wife of the
patriarch Abraham, through whom
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:51
			all the people of the earth are
blessed. If Islam is rooted in the
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:54
			Hebrew Scriptures, what this opens
up is a new possibility to see
		
00:56:54 --> 00:56:58
			Islam as not opposed to the Judeo
Christian tradition of monotheism.
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:03
			But indeed as a part of it. To
Hydra. And Ishmael Islam finds its
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:07
			places simultaneously the first
child of Abraham, and the third
		
00:57:07 --> 00:57:12
			stage in the development of
monotheism. Well, medieval rabbis
		
00:57:12 --> 00:57:16
			would have not found that
recognizable, because the essence
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:22
			of the story whereby otherness
Gentile status is constructed for
		
00:57:22 --> 00:57:27
			the biblical writers is this idea
of the driving out of her and her
		
00:57:27 --> 00:57:32
			son, but now it's been reread
rehabilitated through modern
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:36
			hermeneutic turn under scriptural
reasoning, whereby you read
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:39
			scriptural texts in order to find
the most pragmatic and benign
		
00:57:39 --> 00:57:40
			outcomes.
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:48
			And this is what he has now found.
Now, of course, the Judeo
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:54
			Christian tradition, that's a very
bogus concatenation, because the
		
00:57:54 --> 00:57:56
			Old and the New Testaments didn't
really fit together at all well,
		
00:57:57 --> 00:58:00
			and those two principles have
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:04
			had more of a hate relationship
than a love relationship down the
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:07
			centuries and Islam metabolically
in many ways, structurally,
		
00:58:07 --> 00:58:11
			legally, monotheistic Lee is
closer to Judaism. And
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:14
			Christianity is you might speak of
a judo Islamic tradition,
		
00:58:15 --> 00:58:18
			possibly, in medieval Spain, for
instance, Judeo Christian
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:23
			tradition, after those dichotomies
that Paul is insisting on, that's
		
00:58:23 --> 00:58:27
			more difficult, but anyway, he's
happy to use this, I guess for his
		
00:58:27 --> 00:58:29
			ironically minded
		
00:58:30 --> 00:58:35
			readers. But you can see that's
the enormous scale of the
		
00:58:35 --> 00:58:38
			overturning, which has happened
here.
		
00:58:43 --> 00:58:48
			Okay, now let's rewind and think
about the Muslim narratives. Okay,
		
00:58:48 --> 00:58:51
			there's Rembrandt again. He liked
this theme.
		
00:58:55 --> 00:58:58
			Now, the funny thing and I don't
have a clear cut answer for you
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:02
			about all of this is that even
though
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:08
			the Jewish and Christian
traditions have always identified
		
00:59:08 --> 00:59:14
			Muslims as Hadrian's and as
Ishmaelites, and we also identify
		
00:59:14 --> 00:59:16
			ourselves as Hadrian's and
Ishmaelites and the Hajj doesn't
		
00:59:16 --> 00:59:18
			make much sense unless
		
00:59:19 --> 00:59:21
			you recognize that you're
recreating her
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:29
			thirsty steps, reenacting that
moment of self sacrifice. We are
		
00:59:30 --> 00:59:34
			Ishmaelites there's an interesting
circumstance that it's not really
		
00:59:34 --> 00:59:37
			very, she is not really mentioned
in the Quran, unlike the Virgin
		
00:59:37 --> 00:59:38
			Mary.
		
00:59:39 --> 00:59:43
			And the Hadrian aspect of that
story is not really in the Quran.
		
00:59:44 --> 00:59:49
			Not really sure why that should
be. Maybe because it was kind of
		
00:59:49 --> 00:59:54
			already obviously no. But in any
case, it's certainly salient in
		
00:59:54 --> 00:59:58
			our historians. So here we have
		
00:59:59 --> 00:59:59
			tubers,
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01
			The narrative,
		
01:00:02 --> 01:00:04
			the first true regret Tafseer.
		
01:00:07 --> 01:00:11
			Which is again, the angel time
identified with Gabriel,
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:16
			Gabriel, the angel of Revelation,
the same one who comes to the
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:20
			Virgin Mary, not any old Angel.
Gabriel, Muslims have always
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23
			agreed that she saw Gable and
		
01:00:25 --> 01:00:26
			spoke to him.
		
01:00:28 --> 01:00:30
			And then you have this dialogue,
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:36
			which is quite similar again to
the Quranic narrative of the
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38
			Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin
		
01:00:40 --> 01:00:47
			where he is questioning, and she
gives a very Muslim answer. To
		
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49
			whom did he entrust you?
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:53
			You're all on your own in this
desert place, Abraham.
		
01:00:55 --> 01:01:00
			let you down. And she replies,
what Kalani Illa KEF,
		
01:01:01 --> 01:01:04
			entrusted me to one who is
sufficient
		
01:01:05 --> 01:01:10
			that the angel says, entrusted you
to one who is enough, the boy
		
01:01:10 --> 01:01:14
			ropes is robbed the ground with
his toe, zooms and appears and
		
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15
			that story begins.
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:23
			The symbol of salvation in the
desert is water, and the water of
		
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26
			life which is revelation,
salvation ensues.
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29
			So
		
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31
			that's just one
		
01:01:33 --> 01:01:38
			bit from the Muslim historians
where they talk about this, but
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:45
			what we need to bear in mind is
that she liked the Virgin Mary is
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:50
			always characterized as somebody
who accepts divine providence.
		
01:01:53 --> 01:01:56
			When the Virgin is in the desert,
		
01:01:57 --> 01:02:03
			giving birth, beneath the palm
tree, she cries out because of the
		
01:02:03 --> 01:02:08
			pain, late to name it to a
cobbler. Heather, welcome to NESEA
		
01:02:08 --> 01:02:11
			nman Sia, where she's not angry
with anyone.
		
01:02:12 --> 01:02:14
			And she's not angry with God.
		
01:02:16 --> 01:02:19
			And then the miracles are given to
her. One of the miracles is, of
		
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25
			course, the well that comes from
beneath her to Allah buki tataki,
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:26
			Surya,
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:31
			which is not, of course, biblical
account doesn't have the palm tree
		
01:02:31 --> 01:02:32
			in the desert. And it's
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:37
			the three wise men and the
shepherds and the manger its
		
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40
			narrative is quite different.
		
01:02:41 --> 01:02:46
			But again, the hearing resonances
are very clear, and the fact of
		
01:02:47 --> 01:02:50
			the miraculous deliberation
through the water and the dates,
		
01:02:52 --> 01:02:56
			which in Islam are differentiated,
because the water is a spiritual
		
01:02:56 --> 01:02:59
			thing. It's from the first
Shahada. It comes from heaven,
		
01:02:59 --> 01:03:03
			whereas the dates come from the
earth from the oasis from life.
		
01:03:03 --> 01:03:08
			And so it's to do with second
shahada and Jerusalem, they come
		
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09
			together in the story,
		
01:03:10 --> 01:03:11
			but
		
01:03:12 --> 01:03:18
			she is paradigmatically, the one
who accepts and surrenders
		
01:03:20 --> 01:03:26
			despite the apparent desperation
of her plight.
		
01:03:44 --> 01:03:44
			So
		
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50
			in the contemporary period,
		
01:03:51 --> 01:03:55
			we find that the story, which is
		
01:03:56 --> 01:03:59
			occasionally there in our
heritage, and again, it's a bit
		
01:03:59 --> 01:04:02
			mysterious, perhaps that say
Jalaluddin Rumi in his copious
		
01:04:02 --> 01:04:06
			poetry has lots of stuff about
Virgin Mary, not much about her a
		
01:04:06 --> 01:04:10
			few lines here and there, that she
hasn't quite even though she is
		
01:04:10 --> 01:04:14
			our foundress caught our
collective imagination the way the
		
01:04:14 --> 01:04:15
			Blessed Virgin did.
		
01:04:17 --> 01:04:21
			It's an interesting circumstance,
that in the modern period, there
		
01:04:21 --> 01:04:23
			has been a lot more interest.
		
01:04:25 --> 01:04:29
			And it generally is an interest
pretty disconnected to the revival
		
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33
			of interest in her and the
repressed donation of a memory
		
01:04:33 --> 01:04:36
			that we find amongst sort of
American
		
01:04:37 --> 01:04:42
			minority feminists. But some of
the same issues are
		
01:04:44 --> 01:04:50
			to be found. So, for instance, Ali
Shariati in the 1970s and named a
		
01:04:50 --> 01:04:54
			conduit amongst Muslim
revolutionary activists killed by
		
01:04:54 --> 01:04:57
			the shore secret police. This
country I think, who writes a book
		
01:04:57 --> 01:04:59
			on the Hajj after his experiences
of the high
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:04
			and his experience of it as a
radical leveling of human beings,
		
01:05:05 --> 01:05:08
			rather as Malcolm X experienced it
as a place where people are
		
01:05:08 --> 01:05:11
			dressed the same and race doesn't
matter and
		
01:05:12 --> 01:05:15
			all of the hierarchy of
		
01:05:18 --> 01:05:23
			American society just abolish it.
Surely it had the same kind of
		
01:05:23 --> 01:05:28
			idea in a kind of almost
socialistic idea. Because much of
		
01:05:28 --> 01:05:33
			his rhetoric when he was teaching,
dodging the secret police in
		
01:05:33 --> 01:05:39
			Tehran was about Islam as an anti
elite movement. He read the Quran
		
01:05:39 --> 01:05:42
			as being a series of stories about
		
01:05:43 --> 01:05:47
			prophets who are from the people
who experienced the poverty and
		
01:05:47 --> 01:05:52
			the disempowerment of the people
being oppressed by the tyrants,
		
01:05:53 --> 01:05:59
			whether it's Nimrod, or Abu Lahab,
or Pharaoh, or whoever he saw, it
		
01:05:59 --> 01:06:02
			really is a kind of narrative of
class struggle.
		
01:06:04 --> 01:06:05
			And his
		
01:06:06 --> 01:06:10
			point is, I think, a perfectly
legitimate one that the tradition
		
01:06:10 --> 01:06:15
			would not object to, which is that
God tends to work through the
		
01:06:15 --> 01:06:17
			despised and the brokenhearted.
		
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21
			So as his they're doing his toe
off thinking, Well, what is this
		
01:06:21 --> 01:06:24
			about? Well, her tomb is here.
		
01:06:25 --> 01:06:33
			And has mass are, is there. And
this is a ritual of which she is
		
01:06:33 --> 01:06:38
			in many respects the founders. Who
does God choose? Not the Shah of
		
01:06:38 --> 01:06:43
			Iran. He just had his enormous
party that costs billions,
		
01:06:44 --> 01:06:45
			Persepolis,
		
01:06:47 --> 01:06:52
			building palaces for world leaders
that only used that each leader
		
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54
			had a palace and it was only used
for two nights
		
01:06:56 --> 01:07:02
			gigantic extravagance and contempt
for the values of the masses. So
		
01:07:02 --> 01:07:07
			he, on his tawaf, in front of the
Kaaba thinks this, this is who God
		
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08
			really chooses.
		
01:07:10 --> 01:07:14
			From among all humanity, it was a
woman, from among all women, it
		
01:07:14 --> 01:07:18
			had to be a slave, and from among
all slaves, a black maid.
		
01:07:20 --> 01:07:25
			So he sees this as the socialist
method message of the hunch. It's
		
01:07:25 --> 01:07:29
			about it's the ritual of the poor.
It is the shrine and temple of the
		
01:07:29 --> 01:07:31
			poor, where they can be
		
01:07:32 --> 01:07:38
			in the front, like anybody else,
all of the normal disabilities and
		
01:07:38 --> 01:07:43
			hierarchies are swept away in the
world of the tawaf. Everybody is
		
01:07:43 --> 01:07:46
			there and it doesn't matter
whether you're stepping on the toe
		
01:07:46 --> 01:07:51
			of a billionaire, or a Pakistani
sweeper, it's just another human
		
01:07:51 --> 01:07:56
			being, is very inspired by this.
And this has been a theme with
		
01:07:57 --> 01:07:59
			quite a lot of particularly
Iranian
		
01:08:00 --> 01:08:03
			Revolutionary writers. So one of
the most popular
		
01:08:04 --> 01:08:11
			religious women's magazines in
Iran pay army hogwash is, miss the
		
01:08:12 --> 01:08:18
			message of Hotjar seen as a kind
of patroness of revolutionary
		
01:08:18 --> 01:08:23
			women, God with the outcast that
rejected the refugee, the asylum
		
01:08:23 --> 01:08:27
			seekers are ethnically impure, all
of those boxes are ticked, that's
		
01:08:27 --> 01:08:31
			where God is and is not in the
palaces of the wealthy. And wealth
		
01:08:31 --> 01:08:32
			is a burden
		
01:08:34 --> 01:08:39
			hanging around one's neck, pulling
one down to the grave and to the
		
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40
			earth.
		
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43
			So this has been
		
01:08:46 --> 01:08:47
			significant
		
01:08:49 --> 01:08:53
			but not for everyone. Here is a
Syrian writer who comes up with a
		
01:08:53 --> 01:08:56
			very different interpretation,
more old fashioned. What does
		
01:08:56 --> 01:09:02
			hijau represent? For modern women,
well mannered woman who obeys her
		
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05
			husband believes in God whose
husband settles her in Morocco is
		
01:09:05 --> 01:09:08
			at peace with their status a
second wife, who bears a child who
		
01:09:08 --> 01:09:10
			is grateful to God for His
blessings and never complains the
		
01:09:10 --> 01:09:12
			model of the righteous and
believing woman.
		
01:09:14 --> 01:09:15
			That template as well.
		
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22
			There's been something of an
outpouring of literature about her
		
01:09:22 --> 01:09:26
			in the modern Middle East, and
some books in Pakistan as well,
		
01:09:27 --> 01:09:34
			and also in Turkey, where her
meaning as the patroness of Islam
		
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36
			is explored in terms of
contemporary arguments about
		
01:09:36 --> 01:09:38
			women's roles.
		
01:09:40 --> 01:09:42
			And he's a bit of an Arab
nationalist as well. So we
		
01:09:42 --> 01:09:46
			actually can't quite accept that
she was a kind of very onic
		
01:09:46 --> 01:09:50
			ancient Egyptian. He says she was
actually a pure blooded Arab from
		
01:09:50 --> 01:09:54
			Arabia. He has a chapter on this
which doesn't actually give you
		
01:09:54 --> 01:09:57
			any evidence but seems to be
something that
		
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59
			resonates with him.
		
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02
			arroba
		
01:10:04 --> 01:10:05
			so
		
01:10:10 --> 01:10:12
			then modern Muslim feminists,
		
01:10:13 --> 01:10:18
			referred Hassan who is from Pocket
stone, like quite a few
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:21
			contemporary feminists, or at
least women's writers, women's
		
01:10:21 --> 01:10:25
			issues writers in the Muslim world
have, I guess rightly seized upon
		
01:10:25 --> 01:10:31
			her as a kind of emblem, rather as
the feminists in the West Reading
		
01:10:31 --> 01:10:37
			the Bible have seized upon her. So
the image of autonomous femaleness
		
01:10:38 --> 01:10:42
			she's constructed in those terms
because she's on her own single
		
01:10:42 --> 01:10:48
			mother, looking after her son and
experiencing angels and being an
		
01:10:48 --> 01:10:49
			agent.
		
01:10:50 --> 01:10:53
			Autonomous is important not just
for Muslim Daughters of hardware,
		
01:10:53 --> 01:10:55
			but for all women who are
oppressed by systems of thought,
		
01:10:56 --> 01:10:58
			or structures based on ideas of
gender, class or racial
		
01:10:58 --> 01:11:02
			inequality. Like her, her women
must have the faith and courage to
		
01:11:02 --> 01:11:05
			venture out of the security of the
known into the insecurity of the
		
01:11:05 --> 01:11:09
			unknown, and to carve out with
their own hands a new world from
		
01:11:09 --> 01:11:12
			which the injustice isn't
inequities separate men from women
		
01:11:12 --> 01:11:15
			class from class race from race
have been eliminated.
		
01:11:17 --> 01:11:20
			Sounds very similar to what some
of those African American
		
01:11:20 --> 01:11:22
			feminists have been saying.
		
01:11:23 --> 01:11:26
			And there is a convergence and
reflect Hasson is occasionally
		
01:11:26 --> 01:11:32
			invited to contribute to volumes
edited by American feminists. But
		
01:11:32 --> 01:11:38
			still, this is perhaps another of
her Juris enigmas, ways in which
		
01:11:38 --> 01:11:44
			she is veiled in that for the
Western imaginary, whether
		
01:11:44 --> 01:11:49
			evangelical or not, the Muslim
really is the emblem of otherness.
		
01:11:50 --> 01:11:57
			The Muslim is the Taliban, Muslim
is Darish, the Muslim is the dark
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:03
			other, the get the Gentile, that
unAmerican principle. And this
		
01:12:03 --> 01:12:07
			idea of that radical othering of
Muslims has become one of the key
		
01:12:07 --> 01:12:12
			features of populism across the
western world now. Whether it'd be
		
01:12:12 --> 01:12:16
			Pauline Hanson, in Australia, or
Breitbart News in the United
		
01:12:16 --> 01:12:20
			States, or Viktor Orban in
Hungary, or Marine LePen, their
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:24
			anxieties about rapid
globalization and social change,
		
01:12:25 --> 01:12:30
			and the death of tradition, tend
to focus on a culprit a human
		
01:12:30 --> 01:12:33
			culprit, rather than just
globalization, which is usually
		
01:12:33 --> 01:12:37
			the foreigner. And usually the
foreigner, as represented by the
		
01:12:37 --> 01:12:43
			Muslim, the asylum seeker refugee,
the emblematic foreigner, the one
		
01:12:43 --> 01:12:49
			who is present in such
disturbingly large numbers, who is
		
01:12:49 --> 01:12:53
			fertile, who is traditional, who
is religious, who is all of the
		
01:12:53 --> 01:13:00
			things that your once was, and now
isn't, but on the right, there are
		
01:13:00 --> 01:13:01
			certain
		
01:13:02 --> 01:13:07
			nostalgic voices that wish that
what's more, we were those things.
		
01:13:07 --> 01:13:12
			So this is at the center of many
of the psychic tensions of the
		
01:13:12 --> 01:13:18
			modern West, populism accelerated
by this issue of the Muslim mother
		
01:13:18 --> 01:13:25
			and the veil. And hijab is kind of
the emblem of that because of
		
01:13:27 --> 01:13:31
			fecundity, because of that
otherness, of racial difference
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:37
			have poverty has had once again is
the symbol of untruthfulness. And
		
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41
			the idea most recently of the
migrant,
		
01:13:43 --> 01:13:45
			the ancient story continues today.
		
01:13:46 --> 01:13:50
			There she is even now heading out
of Iraq or somewhere
		
01:13:51 --> 01:13:56
			oppressed by something or other.
This is present in our world. on a
		
01:13:56 --> 01:14:00
			massive scale. Generally, it's the
women who bear the brunt of armed
		
01:14:00 --> 01:14:04
			conflict. They're the ones who are
left to fend for themselves.
		
01:14:05 --> 01:14:09
			They're the ones who are open to
abuse and exploitation. And
		
01:14:09 --> 01:14:13
			they're the ones who are the real
leaders, in many cases, because
		
01:14:13 --> 01:14:14
			they're the ones who have sub
		
01:14:16 --> 01:14:19
			ledger, a leader, because she had
sober
		
01:14:20 --> 01:14:24
			and exemplar, the one around who's
to whom we swell.
		
01:14:26 --> 01:14:27
			And
		
01:14:30 --> 01:14:31
			as a result,
		
01:14:33 --> 01:14:37
			we remember that these stories are
not just pretty tales of long ago,
		
01:14:37 --> 01:14:43
			ancient epics, and legends, or
saltiel or welline, that are in
		
01:14:43 --> 01:14:49
			fact, representations of eternal
human possibilities and situations
		
01:14:49 --> 01:14:51
			that are absolutely with us today.
And we need to remember this,
		
01:14:52 --> 01:14:56
			Alicia reality's insistence that
had just about solidarity with the
		
01:14:56 --> 01:14:59
			poor, something which the modern
Saudis seem to have forgotten with
		
01:14:59 --> 01:14:59
			her
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:02
			insistence on putting the poor
people as far as possible, out of
		
01:15:02 --> 01:15:06
			sight and out of the way while you
have these gigantic five star mega
		
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			structures everywhere and a kind
of plush Ritz Carlton experience
		
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			of the hundreds that's not what
it's there for
		
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			the point of the Hajj is to
emphasize that most unpopular
		
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			reality in the eyes of the G 20,
which is God is with the weak, the
		
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			brokenhearted, the disregarded the
despise the other race, the other
		
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			gender, all of those things that
the feminist and the Muslim
		
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			thinkers have simultaneously
identified, that it is not just
		
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			about justice and equality, but is
about where God's final
		
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			vindication is likely to be found,
because she had the zamzam and we
		
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			revere her name.
		
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			And so it is always in secret
history. The leaders, the real
		
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			leaders are often those who are
almost invisible and seem to be at
		
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			the back of the crowd somewhere
while the demagogues are
		
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			thundering at the front. But it's
prayer and patience and pure
		
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			heartedness that in the grand
vision, truly make history and
		
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			trigger the divine response. So
perhaps that's the final lesson
		
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			that we should draw from this
veiled leader.
		
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			That's what I've got any
questions?
		
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			Anyone still awake?
		
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			Well, there's a lot of legendary
material, there's nothing that's
		
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			there in sort of reliable Muslim
scriptures.
		
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			There is in some of the
		
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			Muslim legends, the idea that she
was Pharaoh's daughter, we do find
		
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			that some of that isn't ideal yet
that seems to have come from
		
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			Jewish ideas which were there to
kind of represent her as the
		
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			essence of the oppressive
otherness of Egypt, mother think,
		
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			of any possibility of establishing
something like that historically.
		
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			That you showed,
		
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			projected her as
		
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			the fact that if you were in Italy
in the 17th century, that was the
		
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			only way you could ever possibly
imagine a woman is looking.
		
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			And Christ would always be blonde,
and that was just how things were.
		
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			Is there anything about her
activism?
		
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			Unfortunately,
		
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			I'm not sure that I recall the
stories. I think if you look at
		
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			the Sierra of evolution, and also
at Tavares history, they're both
		
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			in English. You can find various
accounts of Abraham visiting them
		
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			in the desert, bringing them
provision subsequently have
		
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			traveled down from Palestine in
order to see them. And then
		
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			presiding over the marriage of her
son, Ishmael to a woman from
		
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			Georgia, which was a local Arabian
tribe, and then being buried
		
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			though, that's all I recall, but
there's a lot of legendary
		
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			material that's out there.
		
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			Anyone else?
		
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			Are we persuaded by this idea that
this founders of Islam actually
		
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			happens to be America's famous
biblical feminist icon is an irony
		
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			or strangeness didn't
		
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			make anything of it.
		
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			Okay, plenty of food for thought
to ensure that give your patients
		
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			Cambridge Muslim College, training
the next generation of Muslim
		
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			thinkers