Abdal Hakim Murad – An Academy of Servants Alumni &

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speaker discusses their experience as a student in Cambridge as a student and how their decision to pursue education led to confidence. They also talk about their experiences with interfaith work and mental health, including mental health and the impact of pandemic on their personal and professional lives. They emphasize the importance of learning about the natural environment and finding creative solutions, as well as the challenges of studying in the face of extreme weather conditions. They also discuss the impact of Islam on society, including its impact on society and the generation of young people.

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			Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah.
		
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			salat wa salam ala Rasulillah. My
bad.
		
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			It's a great honor and privilege
actually to be here with you today
		
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			Solly Hill
		
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			and missing Solihull is quite
different from the rest of
		
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			Birmingham.
		
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			Sophie only visited Solihull it's
not a true reflection. But
		
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			alhamdulillah.
		
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			I, I was very privileged actually
to be born in a family whose
		
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			father was an imam. So from a
young childhood, the idea of
		
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			pursuing education was something
that my father had pushed us to
		
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			towards. And when I had returned
from us her university after
		
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			spending a good few years abroad,
		
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			I was very disorientated, in terms
of what to do when I've come back
		
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			to the community that really feel
I belong here anymore and spend a
		
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			lot of time abroad.
		
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			I didn't feel as if I was part of
the community. So naturally, I
		
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			thought, perhaps academia will
kind of quench my thirst. So I
		
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			decided to do a master's.
		
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			And after finishing the in
disappointed, I then applied for
		
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			the diploma at Cambridge, in
college.
		
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			I think the diploma for me came at
a very important part in my life,
		
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			I had just got married, so my wife
was still training. So I had these
		
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			few years to really kind of
explore my further education,
		
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			avenues. And I humbled I applied
for the college. And it's perhaps
		
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			one of the most pivotal moments of
my year, which enabled me to
		
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			understand and give me some sort
of direction actually, where to
		
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			go.
		
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			It gave me the confidence.
		
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			Confidence in the sense when we
studied the Western intellectual
		
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			tradition, which was one of the
modules allowed me to understand
		
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			the complexities of being part of
wider European society.
		
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			also gave me confidence in the
sense, one of the modules we had
		
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			studied was British and European
history of Islam and Muslims. So
		
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			this idea that I am not here
alone, or you know, not from the
		
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			first bunch of Muslims or living
in Europe, the presence of Islam
		
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			and Muslims for over a millennia
here in Europe. So there's
		
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			confidence that Muslims have lived
here before, and there's ways that
		
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			we can navigate. Also the mode,
the diploma gave me confidence,
		
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			firstly, because of the people who
I met, and first and foremost,
		
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			spending time with Sheikh Abdul
Hakeem and listening to him. But
		
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			in general, the quality of
teachers that had come to
		
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			teachers,
		
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			the CMC staff, my fellow
colleagues, who I spend a lot of
		
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			time getting to know. And someone
from the subcontinent comes with a
		
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			lot of
		
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			baggage when it comes to religion,
		
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			from my own community is
particularly divided. So that
		
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			helped me to spend a lot of time
with Imams who are from other
		
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			traditions and kind of stay with
them and understand their
		
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			perspectives and point of view. So
I thought that was actually a very
		
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			important
		
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			couple of things I enjoyed about
the college.
		
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			One was this aspect of interfaith
work, I found that very important.
		
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			Spending time at the college and
learning through modules,
		
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			importance of interfaith work
allowed me to deeply engage with
		
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			Scottish community at large, very
fortunate the last few years even
		
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			to meet Prince Charles at one of
these police, Scottish police
		
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			Memorial events. And he came up to
me and I thought to myself, What
		
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			am I going to say to him, and then
I remembered that we had very
		
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			fortunately met Sister Emma Clark,
in Cambridge Muslim College. This
		
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			is an amazing lady who designs
Islamic gardens, and I believe she
		
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			is the one who designed the garden
for the Cambridge mosque. And she
		
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			had designed a garden for the
Prince Charles. So I spoke about
		
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			Mr. Clark, and he was so delighted
that I knew Mr. Clark and about
		
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			that project. And also the fight.
Prince Charles has received an
		
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			honorary PhD from Al Azhar.
		
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			So I think those were lasting
memories because when the prince
		
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			came again, he actually mentioned
me by my name and asked how the
		
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			community projects were going.
		
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			It also made me feel
		
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			comfortable in interfaith circles.
Sometimes the Muslim Muslim will
		
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			get perhaps challenged or sucked
in to this idea of accepting
		
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			everything that's been said in
interfaith without challenging
		
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			people. So I think that was
important. Over the last two
		
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			years, we have seen the pandemic
rip through UK and the entire
		
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			world. I was very fortunate to sit
on some of the senior panels of
		
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			the Scottish Government to advise
them on religious policy. And I
		
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			think all of that confidence
really came from some of the
		
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			modules we actually had study in
Cambridge Muslim College.
		
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			An important Hadith Sheikh Abdul
Hakim often mentions in his
		
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			Coronavirus is that God is with
the brokenhearted and returning by
		
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			to Glasgow after finishing another
Master's of
		
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			which generally the trend with CMC
students who just go and do
		
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			masters after CMC,
		
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			this one was in philosophy. But
after I'd finished, I really got
		
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			into mental health training,
actually.
		
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			And I was reflected in the studies
that Shaco talked about what does
		
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			it mean to be brokenhearted in the
west and in our own communities.
		
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			privilege to work with a very
important charity in Glasgow that
		
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			deal with domestic abuse in the
BME community. And one of the
		
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			projects we're sharing on the
helpline, so once a month, I would
		
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			listen to a lot of these very
challenging calls, and really
		
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			challenged me greatly, I felt I
was living in a bubble.
		
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			And not understanding the real
underbelly of the community and
		
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			some of the challenges they go
through. And that started my
		
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			journey off to counseling and
training. And I very fondly
		
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			remember our counseling Islamic
counseling module in, in the
		
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			diploma at the college, I think,
was one of the most important
		
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			modules undertook and opened the
doors for me for, for mental
		
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			health.
		
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			So reflecting back, I think it was
one of the most beautiful years
		
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			I've studied in Cambridge.
		
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			Give me confidence, give me
direction. And just like to finish
		
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			off with, I run a youth project.
So we take young youngsters from
		
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			the age of 11. And we do a series
of Islamic Studies program with
		
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			them. A young guy last week, our
final class that kind of finished,
		
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			most of them have gone to
university, one young guy had gone
		
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			to Glasgow, uni for aeronautical
engineering, and just kind of came
		
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			up to me and hugged me and was
just sokola shake, you know,
		
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			really miss our weekly classes.
		
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			And that, you know, since that
moment, felt so special.
		
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			The idea of trying to have a
positive image of Islam and carry
		
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			that on to our next generation.
For many of the young people,
		
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			Islam, when you talk to him on
slum, the real focus is the local
		
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			mosque as experience of Islam.
		
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			So it's very beautiful. And I said
to him, you know, keep in contact,
		
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			and I'll do the full circle. So
when you grow up and get married,
		
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			I'll conduct your Anita. And then
when you have marriage problems,
		
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			you can come back to me as a
marriage counselor, and then so on
		
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			and so forth. So Alhamdulillah, I
would just like to finish off by
		
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			firstly, thanking the college for
giving me the opportunity to study
		
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			there not only give me the
opportunity, but given me a
		
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			scholarship and the stipend
actually, to study at college. And
		
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			as a part of my life that
Alhamdulillah I was I remember
		
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			fondly and I shared with family
and friends, which is just a lot
		
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			more.
		
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			So
		
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			it's an absolute pleasure to be
here and very grateful to be
		
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			having this conversation. As
nerve. as nervous as I was about
		
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			speaking on this panel, I was
looking back and I was thinking,
		
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			it's such a privilege to be able
to look back on 10 years, 10 years
		
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			of work and 10 years of growth in
the Muslim community. We've come
		
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			so far, in 10 years, 10 years ago,
I had just graduated from my old
		
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			Mac was and I was like deep into
work in the community. And the UK,
		
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			Muslims were in a very different
place. 10 years ago, 10 years ago,
		
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			I remember feeling resistance and
backlash from putting up YouTube
		
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			videos on Islamic reminders.
		
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			Now, looking at that, and looking
at the resistance we received back
		
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			then comparison to now where
anyone can, anybody who wants
		
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			wishes to share Islamic knowledge
can jump onto Instagram, and
		
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			nearly always find an audience
that wants to hear it. Right. So
		
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			we've come a very long way and I
think that reflects how we've
		
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			adapted to absorbing knowledge
seeking knowledge. We've adapted
		
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			our and our approach and our
attitude towards female teachers.
		
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			And this idea of using social
		
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			Should media as as a tool
		
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			over the past 10 years, we've come
very far in terms of mental
		
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			health, right? In terms of our
awareness of mental health, as a
		
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			community, we're more aware, we're
more willing to have that
		
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			conversation. When it comes to
living more consciously eating
		
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			more consciously, we want to
parent more consciously, we want
		
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			to show up in our relationships,
more self aware and more present.
		
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			So that's, that's a lot of growth
over the past 10 years, in my
		
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			specific line of work, which is
intimacy and iridology. In Islam,
		
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			we're still in early stages, we're
still learning to accept out loud
		
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			that we need help. But it was CMC
that instilled that confidence in
		
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			me to pursue a subject that I
actually wasn't taught in the
		
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			madrasa and to pursue it in the
context of my Islamic education.
		
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			So when we first came to CMC, and
we came from the diploma, we were
		
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			introduced to this wide range of
different topics that some of us
		
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			had never had any access to. So
we're introduced to these topics.
		
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			And then we were encouraged to
build the connection and make the
		
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			link between these topics, and our
Islamic education. So we left CMC,
		
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			we left CMC with the tools and the
confidence to be able to pursue a
		
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			subject of passion, and use our
Islamic knowledge to create a more
		
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			deeper, more meaningful project
that is of service to people.
		
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			And I think for me, that was a
huge catalyst that was a catalyst
		
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			for me, especially in the field
that I work in. There's not many
		
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			people, there's not many women,
there's not many men, not many
		
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			scholars teaching in this field,
it was a huge catalyst to have
		
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			that confidence to, to be able to
research to be able to design and
		
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			to deliver courses on intimacy.
And I think moving forward from
		
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			here,
		
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			there are a few areas that I feel
like we could work on as a
		
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			community. And one of them. I know
it sounds very
		
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			theory based, but I think, I think
this idea of desensitization is
		
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			intruding into our lives like
desensitization of, of a food,
		
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			desensitization of entertainment,
you know, over stimulation in so
		
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			many different areas of our lives.
It's stealing away joy. And I see
		
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			this, I see this, when I speak to
people I see this, when I teach I,
		
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			I see that we're so hyper
stimulated, that we can't feel
		
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			anymore. And we so desperately
want to feel. And I think the
		
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			solution is to simplify, to step
back, and to simplify what we eat,
		
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			simplify what we consume, you
know, Detox our visual diet.
		
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			I found that when we when we go
back to basics, it's a lot easier
		
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			to find joy, as opposed to try and
fit in joy in this very busy
		
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			world. And this busy mind and
these busy hearts that we you
		
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			know, we've we're carrying, so
simplifying it emptying. Yeah, we
		
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			don't need more, we need less.
There was an advertisement, you
		
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			probably seen it for a food
company that delivers food to your
		
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			door. And they give you all the
ingredients and the words they
		
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			were using for the advertisement,
they were saying, You deserve
		
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			better. You deserve more variety,
you deserve more taste, you
		
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			deserve more ease. And I was
thinking, No, we don't. What we
		
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			need is less, we need less, less
variety may be less, less noise,
		
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			less chaos, we just need to step
back and sit in the silence for a
		
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			bit. And I see think when I'm
teaching people about intimacy, I
		
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			see the link of appreciation for
very small, simple things can can
		
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			make us appreciate great things
like a human being that's in front
		
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			of us. And then ultimately, God.
So sitting and enjoying
		
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			as as basic as it sounds, sitting
and understanding the magnificence
		
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			of an orange that you're eating
can help you reconnect and really
		
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			enjoy the intimate experience of a
human that you're with and the
		
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			relationship that you're in. And
then ultimately the relationship
		
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			with God. Thank you very much.
First I want to come
		
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			on I'm delighted to be in your
company here tonight. Does love
		
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			love hate affair taking up time
and supporting CMC goodness by
		
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			being here tonight. That's what
you're all doing. sha Allah smells
		
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			Panther. I'll give you the
greatest rewards for sacrificing
		
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			your time.
		
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			I'm just really privileged to be a
part of this community. And I
		
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			think once everybody in this room
and everybody in the UK really
		
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			appreciate what this college is
		
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			is doing, not just for its
students, but for the British
		
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			context are large, you will have a
profound appreciation for the
		
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			college for the chef vision. And
actually all these
		
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			in the background who are doing so
much work to even just put an
		
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			event on, like the event that we
have on today. So from the depths
		
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			of my heart, because I cannot
cater to everyone, for your
		
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			efforts.
		
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			It's so wonderful to be able to
take stock wherever you are in
		
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			your life. And whenever the CMC
have an event like this, where
		
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			they ask the alumni to speak, it's
nice to be invited to do exactly
		
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			that, to take stock, to pause, to
reflect, to see what's working,
		
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			and to see where there's work to
do, what improvements we can make.
		
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			And there's always room for
improvement. But the difference
		
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			is, is that once you take him the
diploma, a traditional stream of
		
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			knowledge, taking a contextual
Islamic Studies diploma, and one
		
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			that really helps you understand
leadership in its various senses
		
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			and forms.
		
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			You always want to improve, You're
never satisfied with where you're
		
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			at. So instead of talking about
everything that I'm doing, I
		
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			thought I just give you a few
snippets and insights into some of
		
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			the website.
		
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			To give you an example of how much
the college has transformed my
		
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			work. I was already in the
community before I enrolled onto
		
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			the diploma. I'd been taught
teaching in the community for
		
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			about four or five years. I felt
by that time that I was drowning.
		
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			Initially, I was so excited that I
had completed this early media. In
		
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			my community, we were the first
batch of female students who have
		
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			completed this as in 2007. So
people were so thirsty for the
		
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			Islamic sciences, and especially
from a female, I thought at 17, I
		
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			could conquer the world. And then
after five years, I was drowning,
		
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			the community were really happy
with the work that I was doing,
		
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			because they weren't females doing
that work. But I was drowning, I
		
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			was starting to see my
limitations. And I just wasn't
		
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			happy with what I was offering the
community.
		
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			And this is where CMC was,
honestly, the diploma was a newly
		
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			created program. I waited a few
years, I got married, and I
		
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			decided to take my husband along
with me. And it was one of the
		
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			most important decisions that we
made in our marriage, to take the
		
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			course together because we grew in
ways together that we wouldn't
		
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			have had not taken the course. And
our vision for the work that we
		
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			were doing grew in such creative
ways.
		
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			That I'm forever grateful, forever
grateful for everybody at the
		
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			college, and essentially grateful
to our last pantalla for this
		
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			opportunity. At the moment, I
spent a lot of my time doing bath
		
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			work, especially with the BA MD
community and more specifically,
		
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			predominantly the Muslim
community.
		
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			So to give you an example, we do a
module at the CMC, we complete a
		
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			module. That's all based around
art and architecture. I remember
		
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			thinking at the time, yeah, we go
to lovely buildings when we're on
		
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			holiday. And we really enjoy that.
But to be in a module for a whole
		
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			town. And to understand the
spirituality in art and
		
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			architecture, it left a profound
impact on my heart. And actually,
		
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			when you see these beautiful
buildings, and I'm sure many of
		
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			you have visited the Cambridge
central mosque, and to see the
		
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			impact that it's having, not just
on Muslims, but society at large,
		
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			you start to see that actually
Islam can impact hearts in
		
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			different ways. And it doesn't
have to be a lecture in a mosque.
		
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			It can be a piece of art, it could
be singing, it could be
		
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			storytelling, Islam is for
everybody. And it can really
		
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			appeal to hearts in different
ways. And we need to as leaders of
		
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			the community, as people that
serve the community, find more
		
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			creative ways to approach every
strand of society. So in my birth
		
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			work, I thought the first thing I
need to do is to create a logo
		
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			that actually has a deeper
meaning, rather than just having
		
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			the name of the work that I'm
doing. So I called
		
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			my course spiritual birth. And I
use that as an opportunity to
		
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			reconnect with my teacher at the
CMC. And he was really helpful. We
		
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			had spoken about different
concepts, and then we finalized
		
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			our thoughts. And we decided that
we would use an eight point star
		
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			to represent my birth work, and
you might think what's an eight
		
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			point star and you'll see at
		
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			To the eight point stars in some
of these designs at the top of the
		
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			room. And this is actually known
as the nexus of Rockman. And if
		
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			you look at that this actually is
taken from a description that even
		
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			Adobe wrote about Allah subhanho,
to Allah creating the universe by
		
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			articulating words through His
merciful breath. And for those of
		
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			us that have had children, we know
that birth, a lot of it is about
		
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			breathing. So it was very, it
connected very well with my work.
		
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			So just by seeing the logo, it
immediately had a connection with
		
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			all things about. And then all of
my work has this lovely
		
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			background, whether it's the
affirmation cards that you get, or
		
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			the slides that you're, you're
visualizing.
		
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			And it has a tessellation of this
eight point star. And what that
		
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			signifies is this, this pattern is
actually a
		
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			it's a metaphorical representation
of compression, and expansion. And
		
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			in labor, a woman is going through
exactly that compression, and
		
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			expansion. And when I go through
this in my course, and I'm
		
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			teaching couples, it's having such
a profound impact on them, because
		
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			they're actually seeing that when
they are pregnant, when they're
		
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			going through labor, there is a
direct link between what they
		
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			think is just, you know, a process
of life. But actually, it's a
		
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			spiritual experience. And Allah is
a part of every experience in our
		
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			life, whether it's the birth,
whether we're a shopkeeper,
		
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			whether we're
		
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			a nursery teacher, whether we're a
bus driver, Islam is it can be in
		
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			our secular spaces. And I think
this is the biggest issue of our
		
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			time, people feel like you have
one identity in Muslim spaces, and
		
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			another identity in in non Muslim
spaces. And I feel like the CMC
		
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			really helped us as students
understand that actually, we can
		
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			blur the lines, because we are
Muslims, wherever we are, we can
		
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			take that with us wherever we are.
So just through my best work, I
		
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			really appreciated the fact that
just through visuals, we can give
		
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			so much more Islam, but without
imposing it with too many words.
		
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			And I think that's, that's just
spectacular, I wouldn't have been
		
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			able to do something like that,
had I not gone to the CMC, I
		
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			wouldn't have been able to
research that deeply. Had I not
		
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			gone to the CMC. And I think it's
just being that bit more creative.
		
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			And sometimes people think that
when you go to an institution like
		
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			the CMC as a traditional student,
you've,
		
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			you've moved away from the
tradition. But I'd like to
		
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			actually argue the other way,
going to the CMC actually helped
		
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			me go deeper into the tradition,
it helped. It helped me learn how
		
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			to research better to be able to
know exactly how much is out
		
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			there, our our tradition is
actually an ocean. And if we
		
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			really tap into our tradition,
there are so many solutions. But
		
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			we need to know our context today.
We need to know the British
		
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			context, as well as the modern day
issues. And that's exactly what
		
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			the CMC does. You've got this
traditional text based grounding
		
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			that you've got from your
traditional seminaries, that the
		
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			CMC is also an equally part of
that journey as students, where we
		
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			learn how to contextualize we
learn what this British context
		
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			is, because, quite frankly, when
you're just studying the tradition
		
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			with your scholars, who are
amazing people, may Allah reward
		
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			them, we wouldn't be where we are
without them. We need that
		
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			grounding. But it's impossible to
do that at the same time as trying
		
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			to really grapple with, you know,
the many issues that are coming
		
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			up. And we know these issues, we
have gender issues, identity
		
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			issues. We have many issues in
relation to consumerism,
		
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			addictions. Some of these things
were really heightened during the
		
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			pandemic, because we were in our
homes, these things were so
		
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			already readily accessible. But
100, I think that through
		
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			knowledge, and this is what people
do want, there's a thirst for it.
		
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			People are starting to see that we
can move away from these problems
		
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			that we have in our community. And
there are people that are coming
		
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			up with creative solutions. But I
honestly believe as a community,
		
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			we just need a little bit more
patience. We've had so much
		
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			patience up until now. And we need
to continue to have a bit more
		
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			patience, because I feel like
		
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			everybody at the CMC that studies
is being trained to be some sort
		
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			of an engineer for this boat that
we have. And we did have an engine
		
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			in the past and it did serve us
for the purpose that it was
		
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			therefore, but right now we're
just sailing forward with what's
		
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			in the reserve tank. So to really
go forward for the problems and
		
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			the challenges that we will
continue to face. We need a
		
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			stronger engine and to
		
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			allow us to create the engine, the
engineers at the CMC, you just
		
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			need that time. And we need the
support from people like you and
		
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			the whole of, of the community in
the UK and the strongest support
		
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			is your drivers. So every time you
do make dua, please make dua that
		
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			CMC can be an institution that is
a part of the future, not one that
		
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			just fizzles out with time. So to
start from, okay, then we're gonna
		
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			do that, what I do consider
		
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			there's one thing that I think CMC
did give that I probably did not
		
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			expect,
		
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			was it was a sort of family might
sound a bit cringe, but it's true.
		
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			And sad. Hamdulillah I see as as
an older brother, and it was there
		
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			at the back of Alhamdulillah.
		
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			And I remember my first journey
coming up to up to Cambridge, I
		
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			actually sat in in their car, and
they took me on the way. And I
		
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			remember, as well, one thing, I
was actually gonna say this, but I
		
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			think it's useful for people to to
know,
		
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			I remember when I first came to
CMC, and I was very nervous about
		
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			the Arabic element, very, very
nervous. And I thought that that's
		
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			going to be a real challenge for
me. And I remember the first set
		
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			of reading readings that we got
from CMC was about six or seven
		
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			articles about very writing of
topics. And the way in English, I
		
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			remember one was by the chef. And
I remember thinking, I should have
		
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			been more worried about the
English than Arabic. Because I was
		
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			thinking to myself, I have not got
a clue what is going on here, but
		
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			hamdulillah with some support from
the family members, it did get
		
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			easier.
		
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			But no, I think before I was going
to speak, I was told to talk to
		
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			you guys about my thought journey.
		
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			And how that kind of changed when
I went to CMC or how it affected
		
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			it. And I think one good way to
simply summarize is that it really
		
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			rocks your world in a big way.
		
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			Especially my because I liked the
other guys, I did the BA as I'd
		
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			mentioned. So I came to CMC
without any kind of Islamic
		
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			knowledge.
		
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			I studied history and politics
first. And I had this real, you
		
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			know, yearning yearning to study
the deen.
		
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			So a close friend of mine at that
time, Sheikh Nasir, he said to me,
		
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			you should study study at CMC, he
also did the diploma. So he
		
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			recommended it to me so I thought
I knew know know better, and I
		
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			trusted him at all. Let's go for
it. handleless best thing I ever
		
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			did.
		
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			And I think before I went to CMC,
I was pretty sure about life. You
		
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			know, I was very sure about what I
believed about what was right and
		
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			what was wrong.
		
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			You know, I remember and I'm not
really I think it's a good, good
		
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			thing to say that I was born up as
a brain. And for me is that you
		
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			know, the Obon these were like the
archenemy. And and Deobandi could
		
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			never be a Sufi could never have a
recall. And I remember firstly
		
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			with the CMC and one of my good
friends and yeah, who was in
		
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			Turkey. He said to me that, you
know, I'm a Deobandi chesty. And I
		
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			was like, maybe that's not the
case. He was like, no, no, I have
		
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			yet to convince me of that. And
now hamdulillah I'm actually
		
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			working in a Deobandi madrasah so
completely come
		
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			the full 360 degrees. So it just
shows really this rocky world
		
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			because suddenly all those
certainties me. You guys probably
		
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			don't any all those certainties I
felt that I had as a 2524 year
		
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			old, completely changed. And now I
think the most I can say is I
		
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			don't know, no, I don't know very
much.
		
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			And I think that's, that's a good
place to be.
		
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			I think, you know, when you say in
front of real masters of the
		
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			sciences,
		
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			like you know, the teachers we had
infecting Callum and also
		
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			excetera, etc.
		
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			You just really realize how little
you know, I remember once, I had a
		
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			question about something that we
learnt in Colombians. And another
		
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			beautiful thing about the colleges
is that it's not just lesson time,
		
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			you know, you have a lesson from
two o'clock to four o'clock, let's
		
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			say and then you go home. It's not
that you eat with your teachers,
		
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			you can go to the office after you
can speak to them about whatever
		
00:29:02 --> 00:29:05
			the topic was, they're more than
happy to clarify
		
00:29:06 --> 00:29:10
			is more than just lesson time. And
that that is almost when the
		
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			learning happens. But in this on
this occasion, I went on the
		
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			teacher's office, and I repeated
back what another teacher had said
		
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			to me, and I got completely
grilled for misquoting the
		
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			teacher. And then the other
teacher came and they both agreed
		
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			upon me. But I think the reason
the reason for that the reason for
		
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			that was I was still at that
stage, but I thought I knew
		
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			something. And I thought I could
you know really I was sure of this
		
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			and he was like look, you have no
idea we're talking about always
		
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			start from from first premises. So
hamdulillah does, and I think if
		
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			if you're ready for that
experience, then the college is
		
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			amazing place. But you know, and
even if you're not ready for it is
		
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			still an amazing place.
hamdulillah is that kind of
		
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			process was probably the most
benefit that I received from the
		
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			college. But just to kind of track
back. So initially I did history
		
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			and politics
		
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			And I felt like that's what that
was a really what interested me.
		
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			But after the degree, I felt that
there was too much assurity not
		
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			knowing the way things were and
what I could practically do with
		
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			it in terms of for my own self in
terms of for my own self growth,
		
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			as opposed to helping others, I
felt that I needed to really
		
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			improve myself first.
		
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			So I felt that CMC was standing
dean would be where I would get.
		
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			And again, this idea of thinking I
knew a lot, and then, you know,
		
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			realizing that's not the case. One
of the subjects that I felt I
		
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			would least interact with was was
fake. I thought that, you know, as
		
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			a teenager, I was really good with
rules. And that was someone saying
		
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			to me that, oh, this is what you
have to do. This is a list of
		
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			rules at all, that's not for me.
But then when when I sat with at
		
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			the time she exhale, and he taught
fake in a way teaching us about
		
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			principles and about our soul. And
one of those school was
		
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			the focal hub, the center, so what
that means is the, the Sahaba, at
		
00:31:03 --> 00:31:08
			the time, those Sahaba that were
spent most time with the prophets
		
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			of Allah, Allah, salam, and were
considered for kaha amongst them,
		
00:31:10 --> 00:31:14
			so for keys, scholars of law
amongst them, what they
		
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			understanding of the law was, give
them precedence over perhaps
		
00:31:18 --> 00:31:19
			others at that time.
		
00:31:20 --> 00:31:24
			And that was something that
resonated with me, this idea about
		
00:31:24 --> 00:31:28
			a tradition taken from people, to
people, about people.
		
00:31:29 --> 00:31:33
			And then explaining the five
pillars of Islam as completely
		
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			about people. So the Salah as, as
about the unity of people and what
		
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			it means to be an ummah and a
collective. Same with the Zakat,
		
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			you know, knowing in your
communities who are the Focolare,
		
00:31:45 --> 00:31:48
			who are the poor people who are
the Moroccan Who are these people
		
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			that, that deserve this, this,
this money or the support, same
		
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			about the Hajj. And you know, all
of the pillars are under this
		
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			umbrella of community. And for me,
I felt that looking back on the
		
00:32:01 --> 00:32:04
			one of my teachers mentioned, just
this was a pastor I think was in
		
00:32:04 --> 00:32:07
			Morrison's or something, one of
the teachers mentioned to me,
		
00:32:08 --> 00:32:11
			people need people, they don't
need institutions.
		
00:32:12 --> 00:32:15
			And what he meant by that isn't
the institutions are redundant.
		
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			But ultimately, institutions are
only as good as the people inside
		
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			them. And Hamdulillah, CMC back
then, and today still has those
		
00:32:23 --> 00:32:27
			people that are incredible,
incredible minds, and incredible
		
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			in more involved in that as well.
		
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			But for me, that resonated so
well, so much that people, the
		
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			people because I felt that
everything that's ever connected
		
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			with me, whether it's a love of
history, or whether it was a love
		
00:32:38 --> 00:32:45
			of faith, or any other subject, it
was because it had that people
		
00:32:45 --> 00:32:47
			element in it. And that was
whether it was a service to
		
00:32:47 --> 00:32:50
			people, whether it was making
those long lasting connections,
		
00:32:50 --> 00:32:51
			relationships with people.
		
00:32:53 --> 00:32:57
			And so funnily enough, even though
it changed a lot in terms of made
		
00:32:57 --> 00:33:01
			me think that, you know, in terms
of in terms of my intellectual
		
00:33:01 --> 00:33:03
			growth, in terms of just
		
00:33:05 --> 00:33:08
			making me unsure about things that
I knew, I went back, essentially
		
00:33:08 --> 00:33:11
			to the same profession that I
started with. So I went back to
		
00:33:11 --> 00:33:14
			teaching when I started in
teaching in mainstream schools,
		
00:33:14 --> 00:33:16
			but is it Islamic school, but
still teaching.
		
00:33:17 --> 00:33:22
			So for me, the reason why, but now
I kind of had an understanding as
		
00:33:22 --> 00:33:25
			to why that was something I wanted
to do. And it was because in that
		
00:33:25 --> 00:33:28
			environment, I felt I could make
those connections with people,
		
00:33:28 --> 00:33:31
			meaningful, lasting relationships,
and connections or connections
		
00:33:31 --> 00:33:32
			with students.
		
00:33:33 --> 00:33:38
			And, for example, one of those
things that we do in the school is
		
00:33:38 --> 00:33:42
			there's a lot of school is in
small, late, and the school I work
		
00:33:42 --> 00:33:45
			before that was in Austin, and the
school before worked in those
		
00:33:45 --> 00:33:49
			kinks first. And in all of these
schools, these areas are there's a
		
00:33:49 --> 00:33:52
			lot of different social
deprivation. The lot of challenges
		
00:33:52 --> 00:33:55
			include, including broken families
and gang culture in these things.
		
00:33:55 --> 00:33:59
			And we've had incidents in all the
schools of you know, children
		
00:33:59 --> 00:34:03
			bringing in weapons into school,
because of like affiliate
		
00:34:03 --> 00:34:06
			affiliation with gang culture,
children who are at home caring
		
00:34:06 --> 00:34:10
			for their parents. And not many
people know about it, until
		
00:34:10 --> 00:34:12
			suddenly, you know, the child has
a breakdown, and then the teacher
		
00:34:12 --> 00:34:14
			becomes aware of it and the staff
become aware of it.
		
00:34:15 --> 00:34:19
			Students also recently, students
struggling with
		
00:34:21 --> 00:34:25
			being part of so the parent
separating and they don't really
		
00:34:25 --> 00:34:28
			know how to deal with the many,
many of these things. And I think
		
00:34:28 --> 00:34:32
			that really one way to try to
remedy a lot of these things, is
		
00:34:32 --> 00:34:35
			simply by really nurturing those
relationships in whatever area
		
00:34:35 --> 00:34:38
			you're you're in, or I mean,
whether it's teaching, whether
		
00:34:38 --> 00:34:42
			it's being a doctor, whatever it
is, try to really nurture these
		
00:34:42 --> 00:34:44
			relationships in our families in
our community.
		
00:34:45 --> 00:34:48
			And kind of the best way to to
nurture those relationships is
		
00:34:48 --> 00:34:52
			initially to nurture our relation
with the property. So one thing
		
00:34:52 --> 00:34:56
			that we're doing in the school is
making sure that all the children
		
00:34:56 --> 00:34:58
			are kind of pledging to read 300
kilowatts a day.
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:02
			Because Allah must say that the
current Salawat should be
		
00:35:02 --> 00:35:07
			numerous. And the minimum of that
is like 300. So I think if all of
		
00:35:07 --> 00:35:10
			us inshallah try to initially make
those connections with our
		
00:35:10 --> 00:35:14
			families and our communities but
also tie that connection with the
		
00:35:14 --> 00:35:17
			prophecy learn by trying to commit
ourselves to doing this 300 Salah
		
00:35:17 --> 00:35:17
			today
		
00:35:20 --> 00:35:20
			these
		
00:35:22 --> 00:35:24
			encounters always
		
00:35:25 --> 00:35:29
			helpful for me, but also
challenging because you realize
		
00:35:29 --> 00:35:31
			the enormous
		
00:35:32 --> 00:35:36
			long term implications of what
happens when you become a servant
		
00:35:36 --> 00:35:40
			to seek Sacred Knowledge
sometimes, you know, we think in
		
00:35:40 --> 00:35:45
			terms of Holy Prophet alayhi
salatu salam is amped up to not
		
00:35:45 --> 00:35:46
			the absolute slave
		
00:35:47 --> 00:35:52
			and the Allamah, or the hood,
Devil art, the servants of the
		
00:35:52 --> 00:35:53
			slave,
		
00:35:54 --> 00:35:57
			then those who kind of facilitate
things for them, other hood them,
		
00:35:57 --> 00:36:03
			put them up to I had a scholar
speaking of it in these terms. So
		
00:36:03 --> 00:36:07
			these young people are on feel
some kind of standing on one's
		
00:36:07 --> 00:36:11
			shoulders moving ahead, moving
forward, but in directions that
		
00:36:11 --> 00:36:15
			you can never really forecast but
Alhamdulillah one of the things
		
00:36:15 --> 00:36:20
			that we have been heartened by in
the CMC journey, which is now 1112
		
00:36:20 --> 00:36:28
			years old, and counting is that
there's tremendous capacity in our
		
00:36:28 --> 00:36:32
			Muslim community that is massively
underused, underrated,
		
00:36:33 --> 00:36:35
			unsuspected, in many cases,
		
00:36:36 --> 00:36:40
			treated as a kind of special case,
something with special needs
		
00:36:40 --> 00:36:45
			something that needs all kinds of
various government integration and
		
00:36:45 --> 00:36:48
			economic initiatives. And
sometimes those can be helpful.
		
00:36:49 --> 00:36:50
			But that
		
00:36:51 --> 00:36:53
			what I've learned in that CMC
journey,
		
00:36:54 --> 00:36:55
			is that
		
00:36:56 --> 00:37:00
			the traditional norm, the
traditional curriculum, although
		
00:37:00 --> 00:37:03
			to be traditional doesn't mean
that you just copy something from
		
00:37:03 --> 00:37:09
			the past. I prefer to copying. The
manuals have a tradition for
		
00:37:09 --> 00:37:12
			Mamluk Egypt, for instance,
tradition is something that is
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:15
			constantly evolving new HD heads,
new considerations, new
		
00:37:15 --> 00:37:20
			commentaries, it's not a static
thing is that it seems to be
		
00:37:20 --> 00:37:27
			providing a better class of young
person, for the service of the
		
00:37:27 --> 00:37:31
			community and for the building of
bridges of integration and
		
00:37:31 --> 00:37:35
			cohesion than anything that has
actually been accomplished by
		
00:37:35 --> 00:37:38
			various reformist or liberalizing
forms of Islam. A
		
00:37:39 --> 00:37:42
			lot of people find that
counterintuitive. One of the big
		
00:37:43 --> 00:37:47
			claims that has been made about
Islam in the last 100 years, 200
		
00:37:47 --> 00:37:51
			years since the impact with
Western modernity is you need a
		
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54
			reformation, whereas the Martin
Luther, when you're going to
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:56
			modernize when you're going to
catch up,
		
00:37:58 --> 00:38:02
			but if you look at people like
Muhammad Abdul Rashid RIDOT, said,
		
00:38:02 --> 00:38:06
			Achmed, Han molvi Chirag, Ali, a
lot of people who in the 19th 20th
		
00:38:06 --> 00:38:09
			century thought that they needed
to do that.
		
00:38:10 --> 00:38:16
			What is the actual impact of that
been both on Muslim thought, in
		
00:38:16 --> 00:38:20
			the quality of the masjid, in
terms of these commendable young
		
00:38:20 --> 00:38:24
			people who are at the coalface
helping actual communities, what
		
00:38:24 --> 00:38:30
			is the baraka that has come from
their attempts to bring Islam up
		
00:38:30 --> 00:38:35
			to speed to create a modern Islam,
one doesn't really see it or hear
		
00:38:35 --> 00:38:39
			it or a lot of people want it to
succeed, but it seems to be
		
00:38:41 --> 00:38:44
			it has fallen on barren ground.
		
00:38:45 --> 00:38:48
			So we're doing what the rest of
the world really including a lot
		
00:38:48 --> 00:38:51
			of Muslims thinks is just kind of
impossible, squaring the circle,
		
00:38:52 --> 00:38:56
			that you're actually going to go
into these classical Islamic texts
		
00:38:56 --> 00:39:01
			in Al Kalam, the fifth
commentaries, the mother, hip, the
		
00:39:01 --> 00:39:05
			or soul, each mouth vs the
different types of everything, and
		
00:39:05 --> 00:39:09
			find a solution there. For the
incredible postmodern appending of
		
00:39:09 --> 00:39:13
			everything that the modern world
represents. That's impossible that
		
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16
			too far apart, you will just
produce a generation of young
		
00:39:16 --> 00:39:20
			people who are trained in skills
that are too remote from the
		
00:39:20 --> 00:39:24
			realities of the modern world and
the solutions that it's crying out
		
00:39:24 --> 00:39:24
			for.
		
00:39:25 --> 00:39:28
			So perhaps the greatest thing that
I've learned personally, well,
		
00:39:28 --> 00:39:33
			I've learned a lot until I'm a
student at CMC, you would say I'm
		
00:39:33 --> 00:39:37
			trying to figure out what's going
on and how we can make the most of
		
00:39:37 --> 00:39:39
			our resources is that
		
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45
			the tradition as understood
correctly or soul as well as
		
00:39:45 --> 00:39:50
			furore, why are the rules the way
they are, rather than just let's
		
00:39:50 --> 00:39:56
			learn a collection of factoids.
deeper understandings of the text
		
00:39:57 --> 00:40:00
			is the way forward and I think one
of the things
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:04
			knows that some sections save the
data along community, traditional
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:09
			madrasa communities some overseas
universities have not sufficiently
		
00:40:09 --> 00:40:13
			grasped is that simply equipping
young people to be functionaries
		
00:40:13 --> 00:40:17
			in mosques, knowing the right
factors knowing how to do the Cavs
		
00:40:17 --> 00:40:19
			and Jeunesses. And the rules of
kappa
		
00:40:20 --> 00:40:22
			is not really enough.
		
00:40:23 --> 00:40:27
			It's not 5% of what's enough, they
have to understand why those rules
		
00:40:27 --> 00:40:31
			about how the Allamah have derived
them. Why the Allah met, were
		
00:40:31 --> 00:40:33
			thinking in a particular
timeframe,
		
00:40:34 --> 00:40:39
			against the backdrop of 17th
century India, or 10th century
		
00:40:39 --> 00:40:43
			Baghdad, or whatever it was. This
is the armors ongoing conversation
		
00:40:43 --> 00:40:48
			with itself. And that's what we
mean by traditional. We don't mean
		
00:40:48 --> 00:40:53
			a time machine or time capsule, we
mean being the latest generation,
		
00:40:53 --> 00:40:57
			the latest link in that chain,
which the majoritarian Atlas and
		
00:40:57 --> 00:41:02
			the module that I have that
connects them back to the abt the
		
00:41:02 --> 00:41:05
			chosen slave sallallahu alayhi wa
sallam, and whenever that chain is
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:10
			kind of damaged or breaks,
disasters result, whether they be
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:15
			fundamentalist disasters, whose
victims are almost always mainly
		
00:41:15 --> 00:41:21
			Muslims, or whether it be various
forms of trying to dilute Islam
		
00:41:21 --> 00:41:25
			and to change it, or to turn it
into something that is compatible
		
00:41:25 --> 00:41:28
			with modernity, that doesn't work,
either you think of the famous
		
00:41:28 --> 00:41:29
			story in Rumi,
		
00:41:30 --> 00:41:34
			where the chicken farmer finds an
eagle.
		
00:41:36 --> 00:41:39
			He spent his life dealing with
chickens and hens and funds an
		
00:41:39 --> 00:41:44
			economy thinks, Well, this is a
very strange kind of bird. And so
		
00:41:44 --> 00:41:47
			he takes it home and he and his
wife get out scissors and they cut
		
00:41:47 --> 00:41:50
			it and they snip it and then try
and change it. And he puts it on
		
00:41:50 --> 00:41:53
			the ground and says no look a bit
more like a chicken.
		
00:41:54 --> 00:41:56
			That's what a lot of people are
trying to do with Islam nowadays,
		
00:41:56 --> 00:42:00
			because they think it has to be
something that in its integrity,
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:00
			it isn't.
		
00:42:01 --> 00:42:06
			So we're kind of in love with the
eagle and producing eagles who
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:10
			will saw insha Allah but we don't
know where they will saw one of
		
00:42:10 --> 00:42:14
			the frustrations and excitements
of higher education. As you know,
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:17
			young people have tremendous
potential. And you know that Allah
		
00:42:17 --> 00:42:20
			subhanaw taala, and his generosity
is going to open exciting doors
		
00:42:20 --> 00:42:24
			for them. But you don't know where
those doors will be to either like
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:27
			going into the masjid. And it's
time for prayer. And if there's a
		
00:42:27 --> 00:42:29
			space in front of you step into
it.
		
00:42:30 --> 00:42:32
			But you don't know if there'll be
a space there, or maybe it's down
		
00:42:32 --> 00:42:35
			there, the other guy will get it.
That's the world of work. And in
		
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39
			short, a lot. If you're attentive,
you get to be in the software a
		
00:42:39 --> 00:42:44
			while, the first the first room.
But you can't sort of determine
		
00:42:44 --> 00:42:46
			where a student is going to go.
		
00:42:48 --> 00:42:52
			The Ottoman sometimes used to
compare training all on that to
		
00:42:52 --> 00:42:56
			making an arrow spent a lot of
time making sure it's straight
		
00:42:56 --> 00:43:00
			from the best would you choose
only the best word. And then you
		
00:43:00 --> 00:43:03
			get the feathers, usually goose
feathers for the
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:07
			tail of the arrow, and you make
sure they had a kind of sacred art
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:11
			of archery under the point and the
whole thing. And then at the end
		
00:43:11 --> 00:43:14
			of this when you spent maybe weeks
making the error, you just shoot
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:15
			it into the fog.
		
00:43:17 --> 00:43:19
			Garden, you don't know where it's
gonna go.
		
00:43:20 --> 00:43:23
			That's what it is really to train
students, you don't know where
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:28
			they'll end up under here we have
four who have been guided by the
		
00:43:28 --> 00:43:33
			hand of Providence into good
positions of service. You never
		
00:43:33 --> 00:43:37
			really know. But yeah, this has
been something that I think we
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:42
			have been able to share at quite a
deep level with our students, that
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:46
			the tradition is still full of
light and full of life, and that
		
00:43:46 --> 00:43:50
			it is the solution for the Ummah,
even though the outside world
		
00:43:50 --> 00:43:54
			thinks that it's our problem. It's
the solution, the problems come
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:58
			from not doing it, or
misunderstanding it, or studying
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:02
			it incorrectly. Or studying it
with a soul that's full of various
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:04
			turbulences that are going to pick
from it things that aren't
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:10
			mainstream and representative, and
appropriate. So it's a kind of
		
00:44:10 --> 00:44:11
			laboratory.
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:17
			We have here four guinea pigs, who
probably bear some of the scars,
		
00:44:17 --> 00:44:22
			as well as some of the nourishment
that CMC dishes out. But that has
		
00:44:22 --> 00:44:26
			been I think, the great discovery
Well, let me say this two
		
00:44:26 --> 00:44:30
			discoveries has been a bit
desperate to discover is, first of
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:33
			all, the discovery of the
tremendous human potential that
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:36
			exists in our communities. And you
can see that a young person when
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:40
			given a context which is
Islamically, meaningful, but
		
00:44:40 --> 00:44:44
			academically viable, and can lead
to a career they got like rockets,
		
00:44:44 --> 00:44:48
			in many cases, girls as well as
boys. It's an underestimated
		
00:44:48 --> 00:44:54
			community. But secondly, the
capacity of the core of our
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:59
			tradition, as represented and
lovingly handed down by this
		
00:44:59 --> 00:44:59
			generally
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:05
			shins have servants of the abd
down the years, how many
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:10
			generations of all on that? We
don't know countless, so many now
		
00:45:10 --> 00:45:14
			most of them resting beneath the
earth that we have now received.
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:18
			This is the relay race race and
we're holding the baton now. We're
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:22
			gonna hand it on to others. And
that's a big responsibility to be
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:25
			able to drop it. We don't want to
damage it, we don't want to play
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:27
			with it, just hand it off.
		
00:45:29 --> 00:45:32
			And the result is that 100 Allah
despite the million and one
		
00:45:32 --> 00:45:36
			problems of the Ummah, in Britain
and around the world, it is being
		
00:45:36 --> 00:45:37
			handed on.
		
00:45:39 --> 00:45:43
			There's maybe 10 million mosques
in the world. I reckon it's about
		
00:45:43 --> 00:45:48
			10 million. How many of them
represent some kind of really
		
00:45:48 --> 00:45:51
			invalid prayer. So you go into
that mosque and what they're doing
		
00:45:51 --> 00:45:55
			is wrong. According to the
methods, maybe none. I mean, maybe
		
00:45:55 --> 00:46:00
			one or two, maybe the Imam is
drunk or you hear stories, but
		
00:46:01 --> 00:46:02
			this is an amazing achievement.
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:09
			An amazing achievement. So 100 in
that yesterday, I was at a service
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:14
			where they wanted interfaith
representation. And I was feeling
		
00:46:14 --> 00:46:16
			quite happy though. And I thought,
Well, I'm not happy because of
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:20
			this statue and incense and stuff.
Then I realized my ego is happy
		
00:46:20 --> 00:46:22
			because I was actually the
youngest person there.
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:25
			That was kind of nice.
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:31
			doesn't often happen. But yeah,
but here we have young people and
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:34
			the mosques continue around the
world to be full, but it's
		
00:46:34 --> 00:46:40
			absolutely our responsibility as
Kadem to make sure that that
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:45
			continues, and that however messed
up we may be. The treasure that
		
00:46:45 --> 00:46:50
			we're handing on is intact. This
treasure which is the Sunnah,
		
00:46:50 --> 00:46:53
			sunnah, which is not just a
checklist of do's and don'ts.
		
00:46:55 --> 00:46:58
			But the Sunnah, which is an art of
life,
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:00
			a way of retaining
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:06
			access to the sacred, and to human
normality, in an age that seems to
		
00:47:06 --> 00:47:07
			be going mad.
		
00:47:08 --> 00:47:12
			So you find that this treasure,
even though it's so old,
		
00:47:14 --> 00:47:17
			14 and a half centuries, is
actually more precious now than
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:22
			ever before. Because you see
people completely crushed by the
		
00:47:22 --> 00:47:27
			craziness of modernity. And you
see here is a form of life, which
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:33
			is the fullness of wisdom and
compassion, and discipline and
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:38
			rightness about neighbors about
relationships, about marriage,
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:41
			about gender, about children about
dealing with old people about
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:45
			dealing with Allah Subhan Allah to
Allah, perfect form of prayer
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:49
			fasting, it's there 100 In this
this intact thing. This um,
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:54
			blemished diamond, which the whole
damn the servants have handed
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:58
			down, which were carrying, and
insha Allah handing on to the next
		
00:47:58 --> 00:48:01
			generation. Yeah, it's intact, and
the reason why the mosques are
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:09
			always overcrowded or not full of
a few well meaning old ladies, is
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:13
			precisely because of the beauty of
the Sunnah. So that's really what
		
00:48:13 --> 00:48:18
			we are. We're kind of Academy of
servants and we trained servants
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:22
			and we're there to know, religion
is there to help people Holy
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:25
			Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam
came because he wanted to help
		
00:48:25 --> 00:48:30
			people. Why did he come back from
the Mirage Subhan Allah in the
		
00:48:30 --> 00:48:34
			presence of Baba calcein Do you
believe the highest angels?
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:39
			Perfection comes back? Well,
because he loved to serve. He
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41
			wanted to help his people
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:46
			in the economy, when they
persecuted him, along with the
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:49
			economy that he normally Alamo he
could have called on the divine
		
00:48:49 --> 00:48:52
			punishment on them, but he wanted
to serve and to help them to bring
		
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			them into something better.
		
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			So yeah, with this the servants
Academy, but we're still small.
		
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			You could probably fit our main
buildings surface area into this
		
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			room Hamdulillah.
		
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			But we do need supporters. We do
need people who faithfully give us
		
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			10 pounds a month. We do need
people who can make connections
		
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			because there are sections of our
community that are quite well
		
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			heeled now.
		
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			I sometimes think moralizing
thoughts when I walked through the
		
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			mosque a carpark.
		
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			And I've said there is there are
resources in our community. And I
		
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			think that the best thing that we
can do is to train the servants so
		
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			that they can
		
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			in the way of the traditional
Shetty, eScholar find the beauty
		
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			of the texts, the love of the love
of it's a very intoxicating and
		
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			beautiful thing. So to give them
that pleasure, but also to give
		
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			them the possibility of
		
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			Helping people sorting them out in
prisons and wherever they might be
		
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			women who are going into labor
people with issues with
		
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			relationships. Yeah, there's a lot
of work to do, to call faces a big
		
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			cold face, but that family law, so
it's been an optimistic experience
		
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			for me. When I started, I had no
idea whether it could work. The
		
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			texts still work. Young people are
still amazing, which gives me a
		
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			lot of hope for the future in sha
Allah, whatever may or may not be
		
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			the future of CMC. I think that in
50 years time, this community will
		
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			really be shining and an exemplary
community, visibly as well as
		
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			invisibly hide all mud in Oak
Ridge ugliness
		
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			and your hotpot over
		
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			but you I hope you get the sense
that I am inspired by others
		
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			generosity and keeping us going
despite certain arguments with the
		
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			accountant and the auditor.
Sometimes we keep going, yep, it's
		
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			a bit hand to mouth. And they're
young people who realize when they
		
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			get into the text, the beauty of
this tradition, and the honor of
		
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			being able to serve in this
tradition, there's nothing nobler
		
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			have the little island carriers of
sacred knowledge. What is better
		
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			than that? Standing in the
footsteps of the Holy Prophet
		
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			sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
standing on his minbar
		
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			what I thought will NBM the
inheritors of the prophets. So
		
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			hamdulillah said, at the very
least in sha Allah, we asked you
		
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			to make a dua for us and for the
students, for us to get the best
		
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			students in future and in sha
Allah for us to continue this,
		
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			this work of witnessing, showing
the world what this tradition is
		
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			still capable of Inshallah, thank
you for your patience and Mr. Lego