Abdal Hakim Murad – An Academy of Servants Alumni &

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speaker discusses their experience as a student in Cambridge as a student and how their decision to pursue education led to confidence. They also talk about their experiences with interfaith work and mental health, including mental health and the impact of pandemic on their personal and professional lives. They emphasize the importance of learning about the natural environment and finding creative solutions, as well as the challenges of studying in the face of extreme weather conditions. They also discuss the impact of Islam on society, including its impact on society and the generation of young people.
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Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah.

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salat wa salam ala Rasulillah. My bad.

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It's a great honor and privilege actually to be here with you today

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Solly Hill

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and missing Solihull is quite different from the rest of

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Birmingham.

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Sophie only visited Solihull it's not a true reflection. But

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alhamdulillah.

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I, I was very privileged actually to be born in a family whose

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father was an imam. So from a young childhood, the idea of

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pursuing education was something that my father had pushed us to

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towards. And when I had returned from us her university after

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spending a good few years abroad,

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I was very disorientated, in terms of what to do when I've come back

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to the community that really feel I belong here anymore and spend a

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lot of time abroad.

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I didn't feel as if I was part of the community. So naturally, I

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thought, perhaps academia will kind of quench my thirst. So I

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decided to do a master's.

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And after finishing the in disappointed, I then applied for

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the diploma at Cambridge, in college.

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I think the diploma for me came at a very important part in my life,

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I had just got married, so my wife was still training. So I had these

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few years to really kind of explore my further education,

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avenues. And I humbled I applied for the college. And it's perhaps

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one of the most pivotal moments of my year, which enabled me to

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understand and give me some sort of direction actually, where to

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go.

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It gave me the confidence.

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Confidence in the sense when we studied the Western intellectual

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tradition, which was one of the modules allowed me to understand

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the complexities of being part of wider European society.

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also gave me confidence in the sense, one of the modules we had

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studied was British and European history of Islam and Muslims. So

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this idea that I am not here alone, or you know, not from the

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first bunch of Muslims or living in Europe, the presence of Islam

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and Muslims for over a millennia here in Europe. So there's

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confidence that Muslims have lived here before, and there's ways that

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we can navigate. Also the mode, the diploma gave me confidence,

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firstly, because of the people who I met, and first and foremost,

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spending time with Sheikh Abdul Hakeem and listening to him. But

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in general, the quality of teachers that had come to

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teachers,

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the CMC staff, my fellow colleagues, who I spend a lot of

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time getting to know. And someone from the subcontinent comes with a

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lot of

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baggage when it comes to religion,

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from my own community is particularly divided. So that

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helped me to spend a lot of time with Imams who are from other

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traditions and kind of stay with them and understand their

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perspectives and point of view. So I thought that was actually a very

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important

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couple of things I enjoyed about the college.

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One was this aspect of interfaith work, I found that very important.

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Spending time at the college and learning through modules,

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importance of interfaith work allowed me to deeply engage with

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Scottish community at large, very fortunate the last few years even

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to meet Prince Charles at one of these police, Scottish police

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Memorial events. And he came up to me and I thought to myself, What

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am I going to say to him, and then I remembered that we had very

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fortunately met Sister Emma Clark, in Cambridge Muslim College. This

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is an amazing lady who designs Islamic gardens, and I believe she

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is the one who designed the garden for the Cambridge mosque. And she

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had designed a garden for the Prince Charles. So I spoke about

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Mr. Clark, and he was so delighted that I knew Mr. Clark and about

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that project. And also the fight. Prince Charles has received an

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honorary PhD from Al Azhar.

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So I think those were lasting memories because when the prince

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came again, he actually mentioned me by my name and asked how the

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community projects were going.

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It also made me feel

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comfortable in interfaith circles. Sometimes the Muslim Muslim will

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get perhaps challenged or sucked in to this idea of accepting

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everything that's been said in interfaith without challenging

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people. So I think that was important. Over the last two

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years, we have seen the pandemic rip through UK and the entire

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world. I was very fortunate to sit on some of the senior panels of

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the Scottish Government to advise them on religious policy. And I

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think all of that confidence really came from some of the

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modules we actually had study in Cambridge Muslim College.

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An important Hadith Sheikh Abdul Hakim often mentions in his

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Coronavirus is that God is with the brokenhearted and returning by

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to Glasgow after finishing another Master's of

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which generally the trend with CMC students who just go and do

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masters after CMC,

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this one was in philosophy. But after I'd finished, I really got

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into mental health training, actually.

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And I was reflected in the studies that Shaco talked about what does

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it mean to be brokenhearted in the west and in our own communities.

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privilege to work with a very important charity in Glasgow that

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deal with domestic abuse in the BME community. And one of the

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projects we're sharing on the helpline, so once a month, I would

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listen to a lot of these very challenging calls, and really

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challenged me greatly, I felt I was living in a bubble.

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And not understanding the real underbelly of the community and

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some of the challenges they go through. And that started my

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journey off to counseling and training. And I very fondly

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remember our counseling Islamic counseling module in, in the

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diploma at the college, I think, was one of the most important

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modules undertook and opened the doors for me for, for mental

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health.

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So reflecting back, I think it was one of the most beautiful years

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I've studied in Cambridge.

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Give me confidence, give me direction. And just like to finish

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off with, I run a youth project. So we take young youngsters from

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the age of 11. And we do a series of Islamic Studies program with

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them. A young guy last week, our final class that kind of finished,

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most of them have gone to university, one young guy had gone

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to Glasgow, uni for aeronautical engineering, and just kind of came

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up to me and hugged me and was just sokola shake, you know,

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really miss our weekly classes.

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And that, you know, since that moment, felt so special.

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The idea of trying to have a positive image of Islam and carry

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that on to our next generation. For many of the young people,

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Islam, when you talk to him on slum, the real focus is the local

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mosque as experience of Islam.

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So it's very beautiful. And I said to him, you know, keep in contact,

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and I'll do the full circle. So when you grow up and get married,

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I'll conduct your Anita. And then when you have marriage problems,

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you can come back to me as a marriage counselor, and then so on

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and so forth. So Alhamdulillah, I would just like to finish off by

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firstly, thanking the college for giving me the opportunity to study

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there not only give me the opportunity, but given me a

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scholarship and the stipend actually, to study at college. And

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as a part of my life that Alhamdulillah I was I remember

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fondly and I shared with family and friends, which is just a lot

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more.

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So

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it's an absolute pleasure to be here and very grateful to be

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having this conversation. As nerve. as nervous as I was about

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speaking on this panel, I was looking back and I was thinking,

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it's such a privilege to be able to look back on 10 years, 10 years

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of work and 10 years of growth in the Muslim community. We've come

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so far, in 10 years, 10 years ago, I had just graduated from my old

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Mac was and I was like deep into work in the community. And the UK,

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Muslims were in a very different place. 10 years ago, 10 years ago,

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I remember feeling resistance and backlash from putting up YouTube

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videos on Islamic reminders.

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Now, looking at that, and looking at the resistance we received back

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then comparison to now where anyone can, anybody who wants

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wishes to share Islamic knowledge can jump onto Instagram, and

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nearly always find an audience that wants to hear it. Right. So

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we've come a very long way and I think that reflects how we've

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adapted to absorbing knowledge seeking knowledge. We've adapted

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our and our approach and our attitude towards female teachers.

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And this idea of using social

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Should media as as a tool

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over the past 10 years, we've come very far in terms of mental

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health, right? In terms of our awareness of mental health, as a

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community, we're more aware, we're more willing to have that

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conversation. When it comes to living more consciously eating

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more consciously, we want to parent more consciously, we want

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to show up in our relationships, more self aware and more present.

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So that's, that's a lot of growth over the past 10 years, in my

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specific line of work, which is intimacy and iridology. In Islam,

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we're still in early stages, we're still learning to accept out loud

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that we need help. But it was CMC that instilled that confidence in

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me to pursue a subject that I actually wasn't taught in the

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madrasa and to pursue it in the context of my Islamic education.

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So when we first came to CMC, and we came from the diploma, we were

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introduced to this wide range of different topics that some of us

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had never had any access to. So we're introduced to these topics.

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And then we were encouraged to build the connection and make the

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link between these topics, and our Islamic education. So we left CMC,

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we left CMC with the tools and the confidence to be able to pursue a

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subject of passion, and use our Islamic knowledge to create a more

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deeper, more meaningful project that is of service to people.

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And I think for me, that was a huge catalyst that was a catalyst

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for me, especially in the field that I work in. There's not many

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people, there's not many women, there's not many men, not many

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scholars teaching in this field, it was a huge catalyst to have

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that confidence to, to be able to research to be able to design and

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to deliver courses on intimacy. And I think moving forward from

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here,

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there are a few areas that I feel like we could work on as a

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community. And one of them. I know it sounds very

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theory based, but I think, I think this idea of desensitization is

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intruding into our lives like desensitization of, of a food,

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desensitization of entertainment, you know, over stimulation in so

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many different areas of our lives. It's stealing away joy. And I see

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this, I see this, when I speak to people I see this, when I teach I,

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I see that we're so hyper stimulated, that we can't feel

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anymore. And we so desperately want to feel. And I think the

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solution is to simplify, to step back, and to simplify what we eat,

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simplify what we consume, you know, Detox our visual diet.

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I found that when we when we go back to basics, it's a lot easier

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to find joy, as opposed to try and fit in joy in this very busy

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world. And this busy mind and these busy hearts that we you

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know, we've we're carrying, so simplifying it emptying. Yeah, we

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don't need more, we need less. There was an advertisement, you

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probably seen it for a food company that delivers food to your

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door. And they give you all the ingredients and the words they

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were using for the advertisement, they were saying, You deserve

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better. You deserve more variety, you deserve more taste, you

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deserve more ease. And I was thinking, No, we don't. What we

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need is less, we need less, less variety may be less, less noise,

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less chaos, we just need to step back and sit in the silence for a

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bit. And I see think when I'm teaching people about intimacy, I

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see the link of appreciation for very small, simple things can can

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make us appreciate great things like a human being that's in front

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of us. And then ultimately, God. So sitting and enjoying

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as as basic as it sounds, sitting and understanding the magnificence

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of an orange that you're eating can help you reconnect and really

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enjoy the intimate experience of a human that you're with and the

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relationship that you're in. And then ultimately the relationship

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with God. Thank you very much. First I want to come

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on I'm delighted to be in your company here tonight. Does love

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love hate affair taking up time and supporting CMC goodness by

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being here tonight. That's what you're all doing. sha Allah smells

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Panther. I'll give you the greatest rewards for sacrificing

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your time.

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I'm just really privileged to be a part of this community. And I

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think once everybody in this room and everybody in the UK really

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appreciate what this college is

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is doing, not just for its students, but for the British

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context are large, you will have a profound appreciation for the

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college for the chef vision. And actually all these

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in the background who are doing so much work to even just put an

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event on, like the event that we have on today. So from the depths

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of my heart, because I cannot cater to everyone, for your

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efforts.

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It's so wonderful to be able to take stock wherever you are in

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your life. And whenever the CMC have an event like this, where

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they ask the alumni to speak, it's nice to be invited to do exactly

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that, to take stock, to pause, to reflect, to see what's working,

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and to see where there's work to do, what improvements we can make.

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And there's always room for improvement. But the difference

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is, is that once you take him the diploma, a traditional stream of

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knowledge, taking a contextual Islamic Studies diploma, and one

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that really helps you understand leadership in its various senses

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and forms.

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You always want to improve, You're never satisfied with where you're

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at. So instead of talking about everything that I'm doing, I

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thought I just give you a few snippets and insights into some of

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the website.

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To give you an example of how much the college has transformed my

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work. I was already in the community before I enrolled onto

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the diploma. I'd been taught teaching in the community for

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about four or five years. I felt by that time that I was drowning.

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Initially, I was so excited that I had completed this early media. In

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my community, we were the first batch of female students who have

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completed this as in 2007. So people were so thirsty for the

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Islamic sciences, and especially from a female, I thought at 17, I

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could conquer the world. And then after five years, I was drowning,

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the community were really happy with the work that I was doing,

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because they weren't females doing that work. But I was drowning, I

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was starting to see my limitations. And I just wasn't

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happy with what I was offering the community.

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And this is where CMC was, honestly, the diploma was a newly

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created program. I waited a few years, I got married, and I

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decided to take my husband along with me. And it was one of the

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most important decisions that we made in our marriage, to take the

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course together because we grew in ways together that we wouldn't

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have had not taken the course. And our vision for the work that we

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were doing grew in such creative ways.

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That I'm forever grateful, forever grateful for everybody at the

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college, and essentially grateful to our last pantalla for this

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opportunity. At the moment, I spent a lot of my time doing bath

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work, especially with the BA MD community and more specifically,

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predominantly the Muslim community.

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So to give you an example, we do a module at the CMC, we complete a

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module. That's all based around art and architecture. I remember

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thinking at the time, yeah, we go to lovely buildings when we're on

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holiday. And we really enjoy that. But to be in a module for a whole

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town. And to understand the spirituality in art and

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architecture, it left a profound impact on my heart. And actually,

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when you see these beautiful buildings, and I'm sure many of

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you have visited the Cambridge central mosque, and to see the

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impact that it's having, not just on Muslims, but society at large,

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you start to see that actually Islam can impact hearts in

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different ways. And it doesn't have to be a lecture in a mosque.

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It can be a piece of art, it could be singing, it could be

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storytelling, Islam is for everybody. And it can really

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appeal to hearts in different ways. And we need to as leaders of

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the community, as people that serve the community, find more

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creative ways to approach every strand of society. So in my birth

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work, I thought the first thing I need to do is to create a logo

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that actually has a deeper meaning, rather than just having

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the name of the work that I'm doing. So I called

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my course spiritual birth. And I use that as an opportunity to

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reconnect with my teacher at the CMC. And he was really helpful. We

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had spoken about different concepts, and then we finalized

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our thoughts. And we decided that we would use an eight point star

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to represent my birth work, and you might think what's an eight

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point star and you'll see at

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To the eight point stars in some of these designs at the top of the

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room. And this is actually known as the nexus of Rockman. And if

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you look at that this actually is taken from a description that even

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Adobe wrote about Allah subhanho, to Allah creating the universe by

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articulating words through His merciful breath. And for those of

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us that have had children, we know that birth, a lot of it is about

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breathing. So it was very, it connected very well with my work.

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So just by seeing the logo, it immediately had a connection with

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all things about. And then all of my work has this lovely

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background, whether it's the affirmation cards that you get, or

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the slides that you're, you're visualizing.

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And it has a tessellation of this eight point star. And what that

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signifies is this, this pattern is actually a

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it's a metaphorical representation of compression, and expansion. And

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in labor, a woman is going through exactly that compression, and

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expansion. And when I go through this in my course, and I'm

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teaching couples, it's having such a profound impact on them, because

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they're actually seeing that when they are pregnant, when they're

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going through labor, there is a direct link between what they

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think is just, you know, a process of life. But actually, it's a

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spiritual experience. And Allah is a part of every experience in our

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life, whether it's the birth, whether we're a shopkeeper,

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whether we're

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a nursery teacher, whether we're a bus driver, Islam is it can be in

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our secular spaces. And I think this is the biggest issue of our

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time, people feel like you have one identity in Muslim spaces, and

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another identity in in non Muslim spaces. And I feel like the CMC

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really helped us as students understand that actually, we can

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blur the lines, because we are Muslims, wherever we are, we can

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take that with us wherever we are. So just through my best work, I

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really appreciated the fact that just through visuals, we can give

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so much more Islam, but without imposing it with too many words.

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And I think that's, that's just spectacular, I wouldn't have been

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able to do something like that, had I not gone to the CMC, I

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wouldn't have been able to research that deeply. Had I not

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gone to the CMC. And I think it's just being that bit more creative.

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And sometimes people think that when you go to an institution like

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the CMC as a traditional student, you've,

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you've moved away from the tradition. But I'd like to

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actually argue the other way, going to the CMC actually helped

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me go deeper into the tradition, it helped. It helped me learn how

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to research better to be able to know exactly how much is out

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there, our our tradition is actually an ocean. And if we

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really tap into our tradition, there are so many solutions. But

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we need to know our context today. We need to know the British

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context, as well as the modern day issues. And that's exactly what

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the CMC does. You've got this traditional text based grounding

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that you've got from your traditional seminaries, that the

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CMC is also an equally part of that journey as students, where we

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learn how to contextualize we learn what this British context

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is, because, quite frankly, when you're just studying the tradition

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with your scholars, who are amazing people, may Allah reward

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them, we wouldn't be where we are without them. We need that

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grounding. But it's impossible to do that at the same time as trying

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to really grapple with, you know, the many issues that are coming

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up. And we know these issues, we have gender issues, identity

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issues. We have many issues in relation to consumerism,

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addictions. Some of these things were really heightened during the

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pandemic, because we were in our homes, these things were so

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already readily accessible. But 100, I think that through

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knowledge, and this is what people do want, there's a thirst for it.

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People are starting to see that we can move away from these problems

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that we have in our community. And there are people that are coming

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up with creative solutions. But I honestly believe as a community,

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we just need a little bit more patience. We've had so much

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patience up until now. And we need to continue to have a bit more

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patience, because I feel like

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everybody at the CMC that studies is being trained to be some sort

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of an engineer for this boat that we have. And we did have an engine

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in the past and it did serve us for the purpose that it was

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therefore, but right now we're just sailing forward with what's

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in the reserve tank. So to really go forward for the problems and

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the challenges that we will continue to face. We need a

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stronger engine and to

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allow us to create the engine, the engineers at the CMC, you just

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need that time. And we need the support from people like you and

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the whole of, of the community in the UK and the strongest support

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is your drivers. So every time you do make dua, please make dua that

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CMC can be an institution that is a part of the future, not one that

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just fizzles out with time. So to start from, okay, then we're gonna

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do that, what I do consider

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there's one thing that I think CMC did give that I probably did not

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expect,

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was it was a sort of family might sound a bit cringe, but it's true.

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And sad. Hamdulillah I see as as an older brother, and it was there

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at the back of Alhamdulillah.

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And I remember my first journey coming up to up to Cambridge, I

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actually sat in in their car, and they took me on the way. And I

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remember, as well, one thing, I was actually gonna say this, but I

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think it's useful for people to to know,

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I remember when I first came to CMC, and I was very nervous about

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the Arabic element, very, very nervous. And I thought that that's

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going to be a real challenge for me. And I remember the first set

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of reading readings that we got from CMC was about six or seven

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articles about very writing of topics. And the way in English, I

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remember one was by the chef. And I remember thinking, I should have

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been more worried about the English than Arabic. Because I was

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thinking to myself, I have not got a clue what is going on here, but

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hamdulillah with some support from the family members, it did get

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easier.

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But no, I think before I was going to speak, I was told to talk to

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you guys about my thought journey.

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And how that kind of changed when I went to CMC or how it affected

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it. And I think one good way to simply summarize is that it really

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rocks your world in a big way.

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Especially my because I liked the other guys, I did the BA as I'd

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mentioned. So I came to CMC without any kind of Islamic

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knowledge.

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I studied history and politics first. And I had this real, you

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know, yearning yearning to study the deen.

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So a close friend of mine at that time, Sheikh Nasir, he said to me,

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you should study study at CMC, he also did the diploma. So he

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recommended it to me so I thought I knew know know better, and I

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trusted him at all. Let's go for it. handleless best thing I ever

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did.

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And I think before I went to CMC, I was pretty sure about life. You

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know, I was very sure about what I believed about what was right and

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what was wrong.

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You know, I remember and I'm not really I think it's a good, good

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thing to say that I was born up as a brain. And for me is that you

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know, the Obon these were like the archenemy. And and Deobandi could

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never be a Sufi could never have a recall. And I remember firstly

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with the CMC and one of my good friends and yeah, who was in

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Turkey. He said to me that, you know, I'm a Deobandi chesty. And I

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was like, maybe that's not the case. He was like, no, no, I have

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yet to convince me of that. And now hamdulillah I'm actually

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working in a Deobandi madrasah so completely come

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the full 360 degrees. So it just shows really this rocky world

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because suddenly all those certainties me. You guys probably

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don't any all those certainties I felt that I had as a 2524 year

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old, completely changed. And now I think the most I can say is I

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don't know, no, I don't know very much.

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And I think that's, that's a good place to be.

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I think, you know, when you say in front of real masters of the

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sciences,

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like you know, the teachers we had infecting Callum and also

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excetera, etc.

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You just really realize how little you know, I remember once, I had a

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question about something that we learnt in Colombians. And another

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beautiful thing about the colleges is that it's not just lesson time,

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you know, you have a lesson from two o'clock to four o'clock, let's

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say and then you go home. It's not that you eat with your teachers,

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you can go to the office after you can speak to them about whatever

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the topic was, they're more than happy to clarify

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is more than just lesson time. And that that is almost when the

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learning happens. But in this on this occasion, I went on the

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teacher's office, and I repeated back what another teacher had said

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to me, and I got completely grilled for misquoting the

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teacher. And then the other teacher came and they both agreed

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upon me. But I think the reason the reason for that the reason for

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that was I was still at that stage, but I thought I knew

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something. And I thought I could you know really I was sure of this

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and he was like look, you have no idea we're talking about always

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start from from first premises. So hamdulillah does, and I think if

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if you're ready for that experience, then the college is

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amazing place. But you know, and even if you're not ready for it is

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still an amazing place. hamdulillah is that kind of

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process was probably the most benefit that I received from the

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college. But just to kind of track back. So initially I did history

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and politics

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And I felt like that's what that was a really what interested me.

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But after the degree, I felt that there was too much assurity not

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knowing the way things were and what I could practically do with

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it in terms of for my own self in terms of for my own self growth,

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as opposed to helping others, I felt that I needed to really

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improve myself first.

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So I felt that CMC was standing dean would be where I would get.

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And again, this idea of thinking I knew a lot, and then, you know,

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realizing that's not the case. One of the subjects that I felt I

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would least interact with was was fake. I thought that, you know, as

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a teenager, I was really good with rules. And that was someone saying

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to me that, oh, this is what you have to do. This is a list of

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rules at all, that's not for me. But then when when I sat with at

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the time she exhale, and he taught fake in a way teaching us about

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principles and about our soul. And one of those school was

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the focal hub, the center, so what that means is the, the Sahaba, at

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the time, those Sahaba that were spent most time with the prophets

00:31:08 --> 00:31:10

of Allah, Allah, salam, and were considered for kaha amongst them,

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so for keys, scholars of law amongst them, what they

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understanding of the law was, give them precedence over perhaps

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others at that time.

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And that was something that resonated with me, this idea about

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a tradition taken from people, to people, about people.

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And then explaining the five pillars of Islam as completely

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about people. So the Salah as, as about the unity of people and what

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it means to be an ummah and a collective. Same with the Zakat,

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you know, knowing in your communities who are the Focolare,

00:31:45 --> 00:31:48

who are the poor people who are the Moroccan Who are these people

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that, that deserve this, this, this money or the support, same

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about the Hajj. And you know, all of the pillars are under this

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umbrella of community. And for me, I felt that looking back on the

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one of my teachers mentioned, just this was a pastor I think was in

00:32:04 --> 00:32:07

Morrison's or something, one of the teachers mentioned to me,

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people need people, they don't need institutions.

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And what he meant by that isn't the institutions are redundant.

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But ultimately, institutions are only as good as the people inside

00:32:18 --> 00:32:23

them. And Hamdulillah, CMC back then, and today still has those

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people that are incredible, incredible minds, and incredible

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in more involved in that as well.

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But for me, that resonated so well, so much that people, the

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people because I felt that everything that's ever connected

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with me, whether it's a love of history, or whether it was a love

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of faith, or any other subject, it was because it had that people

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element in it. And that was whether it was a service to

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people, whether it was making those long lasting connections,

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relationships with people.

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And so funnily enough, even though it changed a lot in terms of made

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me think that, you know, in terms of in terms of my intellectual

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growth, in terms of just

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making me unsure about things that I knew, I went back, essentially

00:33:08 --> 00:33:11

to the same profession that I started with. So I went back to

00:33:11 --> 00:33:14

teaching when I started in teaching in mainstream schools,

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but is it Islamic school, but still teaching.

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So for me, the reason why, but now I kind of had an understanding as

00:33:22 --> 00:33:25

to why that was something I wanted to do. And it was because in that

00:33:25 --> 00:33:28

environment, I felt I could make those connections with people,

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meaningful, lasting relationships, and connections or connections

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with students.

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And, for example, one of those things that we do in the school is

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there's a lot of school is in small, late, and the school I work

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before that was in Austin, and the school before worked in those

00:33:45 --> 00:33:49

kinks first. And in all of these schools, these areas are there's a

00:33:49 --> 00:33:52

lot of different social deprivation. The lot of challenges

00:33:52 --> 00:33:55

include, including broken families and gang culture in these things.

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And we've had incidents in all the schools of you know, children

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bringing in weapons into school, because of like affiliate

00:34:03 --> 00:34:06

affiliation with gang culture, children who are at home caring

00:34:06 --> 00:34:10

for their parents. And not many people know about it, until

00:34:10 --> 00:34:12

suddenly, you know, the child has a breakdown, and then the teacher

00:34:12 --> 00:34:14

becomes aware of it and the staff become aware of it.

00:34:15 --> 00:34:19

Students also recently, students struggling with

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being part of so the parent separating and they don't really

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know how to deal with the many, many of these things. And I think

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that really one way to try to remedy a lot of these things, is

00:34:32 --> 00:34:35

simply by really nurturing those relationships in whatever area

00:34:35 --> 00:34:38

you're you're in, or I mean, whether it's teaching, whether

00:34:38 --> 00:34:42

it's being a doctor, whatever it is, try to really nurture these

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relationships in our families in our community.

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And kind of the best way to to nurture those relationships is

00:34:48 --> 00:34:52

initially to nurture our relation with the property. So one thing

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that we're doing in the school is making sure that all the children

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are kind of pledging to read 300 kilowatts a day.

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Because Allah must say that the current Salawat should be

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numerous. And the minimum of that is like 300. So I think if all of

00:35:07 --> 00:35:10

us inshallah try to initially make those connections with our

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families and our communities but also tie that connection with the

00:35:14 --> 00:35:17

prophecy learn by trying to commit ourselves to doing this 300 Salah

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today

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these

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encounters always

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helpful for me, but also challenging because you realize

00:35:29 --> 00:35:31

the enormous

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long term implications of what happens when you become a servant

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to seek Sacred Knowledge sometimes, you know, we think in

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terms of Holy Prophet alayhi salatu salam is amped up to not

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the absolute slave

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and the Allamah, or the hood, Devil art, the servants of the

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slave,

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then those who kind of facilitate things for them, other hood them,

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put them up to I had a scholar speaking of it in these terms. So

00:36:03 --> 00:36:07

these young people are on feel some kind of standing on one's

00:36:07 --> 00:36:11

shoulders moving ahead, moving forward, but in directions that

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you can never really forecast but Alhamdulillah one of the things

00:36:15 --> 00:36:20

that we have been heartened by in the CMC journey, which is now 1112

00:36:20 --> 00:36:28

years old, and counting is that there's tremendous capacity in our

00:36:28 --> 00:36:32

Muslim community that is massively underused, underrated,

00:36:33 --> 00:36:35

unsuspected, in many cases,

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treated as a kind of special case, something with special needs

00:36:40 --> 00:36:45

something that needs all kinds of various government integration and

00:36:45 --> 00:36:48

economic initiatives. And sometimes those can be helpful.

00:36:49 --> 00:36:50

But that

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what I've learned in that CMC journey,

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is that

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the traditional norm, the traditional curriculum, although

00:37:00 --> 00:37:03

to be traditional doesn't mean that you just copy something from

00:37:03 --> 00:37:09

the past. I prefer to copying. The manuals have a tradition for

00:37:09 --> 00:37:12

Mamluk Egypt, for instance, tradition is something that is

00:37:12 --> 00:37:15

constantly evolving new HD heads, new considerations, new

00:37:15 --> 00:37:20

commentaries, it's not a static thing is that it seems to be

00:37:20 --> 00:37:27

providing a better class of young person, for the service of the

00:37:27 --> 00:37:31

community and for the building of bridges of integration and

00:37:31 --> 00:37:35

cohesion than anything that has actually been accomplished by

00:37:35 --> 00:37:38

various reformist or liberalizing forms of Islam. A

00:37:39 --> 00:37:42

lot of people find that counterintuitive. One of the big

00:37:43 --> 00:37:47

claims that has been made about Islam in the last 100 years, 200

00:37:47 --> 00:37:51

years since the impact with Western modernity is you need a

00:37:51 --> 00:37:54

reformation, whereas the Martin Luther, when you're going to

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

modernize when you're going to catch up,

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but if you look at people like Muhammad Abdul Rashid RIDOT, said,

00:38:02 --> 00:38:06

Achmed, Han molvi Chirag, Ali, a lot of people who in the 19th 20th

00:38:06 --> 00:38:09

century thought that they needed to do that.

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What is the actual impact of that been both on Muslim thought, in

00:38:16 --> 00:38:20

the quality of the masjid, in terms of these commendable young

00:38:20 --> 00:38:24

people who are at the coalface helping actual communities, what

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is the baraka that has come from their attempts to bring Islam up

00:38:30 --> 00:38:35

to speed to create a modern Islam, one doesn't really see it or hear

00:38:35 --> 00:38:39

it or a lot of people want it to succeed, but it seems to be

00:38:41 --> 00:38:44

it has fallen on barren ground.

00:38:45 --> 00:38:48

So we're doing what the rest of the world really including a lot

00:38:48 --> 00:38:51

of Muslims thinks is just kind of impossible, squaring the circle,

00:38:52 --> 00:38:56

that you're actually going to go into these classical Islamic texts

00:38:56 --> 00:39:01

in Al Kalam, the fifth commentaries, the mother, hip, the

00:39:01 --> 00:39:05

or soul, each mouth vs the different types of everything, and

00:39:05 --> 00:39:09

find a solution there. For the incredible postmodern appending of

00:39:09 --> 00:39:13

everything that the modern world represents. That's impossible that

00:39:13 --> 00:39:16

too far apart, you will just produce a generation of young

00:39:16 --> 00:39:20

people who are trained in skills that are too remote from the

00:39:20 --> 00:39:24

realities of the modern world and the solutions that it's crying out

00:39:24 --> 00:39:24

for.

00:39:25 --> 00:39:28

So perhaps the greatest thing that I've learned personally, well,

00:39:28 --> 00:39:33

I've learned a lot until I'm a student at CMC, you would say I'm

00:39:33 --> 00:39:37

trying to figure out what's going on and how we can make the most of

00:39:37 --> 00:39:39

our resources is that

00:39:42 --> 00:39:45

the tradition as understood correctly or soul as well as

00:39:45 --> 00:39:50

furore, why are the rules the way they are, rather than just let's

00:39:50 --> 00:39:56

learn a collection of factoids. deeper understandings of the text

00:39:57 --> 00:40:00

is the way forward and I think one of the things

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knows that some sections save the data along community, traditional

00:40:04 --> 00:40:09

madrasa communities some overseas universities have not sufficiently

00:40:09 --> 00:40:13

grasped is that simply equipping young people to be functionaries

00:40:13 --> 00:40:17

in mosques, knowing the right factors knowing how to do the Cavs

00:40:17 --> 00:40:19

and Jeunesses. And the rules of kappa

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is not really enough.

00:40:23 --> 00:40:27

It's not 5% of what's enough, they have to understand why those rules

00:40:27 --> 00:40:31

about how the Allamah have derived them. Why the Allah met, were

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thinking in a particular timeframe,

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against the backdrop of 17th century India, or 10th century

00:40:39 --> 00:40:43

Baghdad, or whatever it was. This is the armors ongoing conversation

00:40:43 --> 00:40:48

with itself. And that's what we mean by traditional. We don't mean

00:40:48 --> 00:40:53

a time machine or time capsule, we mean being the latest generation,

00:40:53 --> 00:40:57

the latest link in that chain, which the majoritarian Atlas and

00:40:57 --> 00:41:02

the module that I have that connects them back to the abt the

00:41:02 --> 00:41:05

chosen slave sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and whenever that chain is

00:41:05 --> 00:41:10

kind of damaged or breaks, disasters result, whether they be

00:41:10 --> 00:41:15

fundamentalist disasters, whose victims are almost always mainly

00:41:15 --> 00:41:21

Muslims, or whether it be various forms of trying to dilute Islam

00:41:21 --> 00:41:25

and to change it, or to turn it into something that is compatible

00:41:25 --> 00:41:28

with modernity, that doesn't work, either you think of the famous

00:41:28 --> 00:41:29

story in Rumi,

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where the chicken farmer finds an eagle.

00:41:36 --> 00:41:39

He spent his life dealing with chickens and hens and funds an

00:41:39 --> 00:41:44

economy thinks, Well, this is a very strange kind of bird. And so

00:41:44 --> 00:41:47

he takes it home and he and his wife get out scissors and they cut

00:41:47 --> 00:41:50

it and they snip it and then try and change it. And he puts it on

00:41:50 --> 00:41:53

the ground and says no look a bit more like a chicken.

00:41:54 --> 00:41:56

That's what a lot of people are trying to do with Islam nowadays,

00:41:56 --> 00:42:00

because they think it has to be something that in its integrity,

00:42:00 --> 00:42:00

it isn't.

00:42:01 --> 00:42:06

So we're kind of in love with the eagle and producing eagles who

00:42:06 --> 00:42:10

will saw insha Allah but we don't know where they will saw one of

00:42:10 --> 00:42:14

the frustrations and excitements of higher education. As you know,

00:42:14 --> 00:42:17

young people have tremendous potential. And you know that Allah

00:42:17 --> 00:42:20

subhanaw taala, and his generosity is going to open exciting doors

00:42:20 --> 00:42:24

for them. But you don't know where those doors will be to either like

00:42:24 --> 00:42:27

going into the masjid. And it's time for prayer. And if there's a

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

space in front of you step into it.

00:42:30 --> 00:42:32

But you don't know if there'll be a space there, or maybe it's down

00:42:32 --> 00:42:35

there, the other guy will get it. That's the world of work. And in

00:42:35 --> 00:42:39

short, a lot. If you're attentive, you get to be in the software a

00:42:39 --> 00:42:44

while, the first the first room. But you can't sort of determine

00:42:44 --> 00:42:46

where a student is going to go.

00:42:48 --> 00:42:52

The Ottoman sometimes used to compare training all on that to

00:42:52 --> 00:42:56

making an arrow spent a lot of time making sure it's straight

00:42:56 --> 00:43:00

from the best would you choose only the best word. And then you

00:43:00 --> 00:43:03

get the feathers, usually goose feathers for the

00:43:04 --> 00:43:07

tail of the arrow, and you make sure they had a kind of sacred art

00:43:07 --> 00:43:11

of archery under the point and the whole thing. And then at the end

00:43:11 --> 00:43:14

of this when you spent maybe weeks making the error, you just shoot

00:43:14 --> 00:43:15

it into the fog.

00:43:17 --> 00:43:19

Garden, you don't know where it's gonna go.

00:43:20 --> 00:43:23

That's what it is really to train students, you don't know where

00:43:23 --> 00:43:28

they'll end up under here we have four who have been guided by the

00:43:28 --> 00:43:33

hand of Providence into good positions of service. You never

00:43:33 --> 00:43:37

really know. But yeah, this has been something that I think we

00:43:37 --> 00:43:42

have been able to share at quite a deep level with our students, that

00:43:42 --> 00:43:46

the tradition is still full of light and full of life, and that

00:43:46 --> 00:43:50

it is the solution for the Ummah, even though the outside world

00:43:50 --> 00:43:54

thinks that it's our problem. It's the solution, the problems come

00:43:54 --> 00:43:58

from not doing it, or misunderstanding it, or studying

00:43:58 --> 00:44:02

it incorrectly. Or studying it with a soul that's full of various

00:44:02 --> 00:44:04

turbulences that are going to pick from it things that aren't

00:44:04 --> 00:44:10

mainstream and representative, and appropriate. So it's a kind of

00:44:10 --> 00:44:11

laboratory.

00:44:12 --> 00:44:17

We have here four guinea pigs, who probably bear some of the scars,

00:44:17 --> 00:44:22

as well as some of the nourishment that CMC dishes out. But that has

00:44:22 --> 00:44:26

been I think, the great discovery Well, let me say this two

00:44:26 --> 00:44:30

discoveries has been a bit desperate to discover is, first of

00:44:30 --> 00:44:33

all, the discovery of the tremendous human potential that

00:44:33 --> 00:44:36

exists in our communities. And you can see that a young person when

00:44:36 --> 00:44:40

given a context which is Islamically, meaningful, but

00:44:40 --> 00:44:44

academically viable, and can lead to a career they got like rockets,

00:44:44 --> 00:44:48

in many cases, girls as well as boys. It's an underestimated

00:44:48 --> 00:44:54

community. But secondly, the capacity of the core of our

00:44:54 --> 00:44:59

tradition, as represented and lovingly handed down by this

00:44:59 --> 00:44:59

generally

00:45:00 --> 00:45:05

shins have servants of the abd down the years, how many

00:45:05 --> 00:45:10

generations of all on that? We don't know countless, so many now

00:45:10 --> 00:45:14

most of them resting beneath the earth that we have now received.

00:45:14 --> 00:45:18

This is the relay race race and we're holding the baton now. We're

00:45:18 --> 00:45:22

gonna hand it on to others. And that's a big responsibility to be

00:45:22 --> 00:45:25

able to drop it. We don't want to damage it, we don't want to play

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

with it, just hand it off.

00:45:29 --> 00:45:32

And the result is that 100 Allah despite the million and one

00:45:32 --> 00:45:36

problems of the Ummah, in Britain and around the world, it is being

00:45:36 --> 00:45:37

handed on.

00:45:39 --> 00:45:43

There's maybe 10 million mosques in the world. I reckon it's about

00:45:43 --> 00:45:48

10 million. How many of them represent some kind of really

00:45:48 --> 00:45:51

invalid prayer. So you go into that mosque and what they're doing

00:45:51 --> 00:45:55

is wrong. According to the methods, maybe none. I mean, maybe

00:45:55 --> 00:46:00

one or two, maybe the Imam is drunk or you hear stories, but

00:46:01 --> 00:46:02

this is an amazing achievement.

00:46:03 --> 00:46:09

An amazing achievement. So 100 in that yesterday, I was at a service

00:46:09 --> 00:46:14

where they wanted interfaith representation. And I was feeling

00:46:14 --> 00:46:16

quite happy though. And I thought, Well, I'm not happy because of

00:46:16 --> 00:46:20

this statue and incense and stuff. Then I realized my ego is happy

00:46:20 --> 00:46:22

because I was actually the youngest person there.

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

That was kind of nice.

00:46:26 --> 00:46:31

doesn't often happen. But yeah, but here we have young people and

00:46:31 --> 00:46:34

the mosques continue around the world to be full, but it's

00:46:34 --> 00:46:40

absolutely our responsibility as Kadem to make sure that that

00:46:40 --> 00:46:45

continues, and that however messed up we may be. The treasure that

00:46:45 --> 00:46:50

we're handing on is intact. This treasure which is the Sunnah,

00:46:50 --> 00:46:53

sunnah, which is not just a checklist of do's and don'ts.

00:46:55 --> 00:46:58

But the Sunnah, which is an art of life,

00:46:59 --> 00:47:00

a way of retaining

00:47:01 --> 00:47:06

access to the sacred, and to human normality, in an age that seems to

00:47:06 --> 00:47:07

be going mad.

00:47:08 --> 00:47:12

So you find that this treasure, even though it's so old,

00:47:14 --> 00:47:17

14 and a half centuries, is actually more precious now than

00:47:17 --> 00:47:22

ever before. Because you see people completely crushed by the

00:47:22 --> 00:47:27

craziness of modernity. And you see here is a form of life, which

00:47:27 --> 00:47:33

is the fullness of wisdom and compassion, and discipline and

00:47:33 --> 00:47:38

rightness about neighbors about relationships, about marriage,

00:47:38 --> 00:47:41

about gender, about children about dealing with old people about

00:47:41 --> 00:47:45

dealing with Allah Subhan Allah to Allah, perfect form of prayer

00:47:45 --> 00:47:49

fasting, it's there 100 In this this intact thing. This um,

00:47:49 --> 00:47:54

blemished diamond, which the whole damn the servants have handed

00:47:54 --> 00:47:58

down, which were carrying, and insha Allah handing on to the next

00:47:58 --> 00:48:01

generation. Yeah, it's intact, and the reason why the mosques are

00:48:01 --> 00:48:09

always overcrowded or not full of a few well meaning old ladies, is

00:48:09 --> 00:48:13

precisely because of the beauty of the Sunnah. So that's really what

00:48:13 --> 00:48:18

we are. We're kind of Academy of servants and we trained servants

00:48:18 --> 00:48:22

and we're there to know, religion is there to help people Holy

00:48:22 --> 00:48:25

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam came because he wanted to help

00:48:25 --> 00:48:30

people. Why did he come back from the Mirage Subhan Allah in the

00:48:30 --> 00:48:34

presence of Baba calcein Do you believe the highest angels?

00:48:34 --> 00:48:39

Perfection comes back? Well, because he loved to serve. He

00:48:39 --> 00:48:41

wanted to help his people

00:48:42 --> 00:48:46

in the economy, when they persecuted him, along with the

00:48:46 --> 00:48:49

economy that he normally Alamo he could have called on the divine

00:48:49 --> 00:48:52

punishment on them, but he wanted to serve and to help them to bring

00:48:52 --> 00:48:53

them into something better.

00:48:54 --> 00:49:01

So yeah, with this the servants Academy, but we're still small.

00:49:01 --> 00:49:06

You could probably fit our main buildings surface area into this

00:49:06 --> 00:49:08

room Hamdulillah.

00:49:09 --> 00:49:17

But we do need supporters. We do need people who faithfully give us

00:49:18 --> 00:49:21

10 pounds a month. We do need people who can make connections

00:49:21 --> 00:49:24

because there are sections of our community that are quite well

00:49:24 --> 00:49:25

heeled now.

00:49:27 --> 00:49:32

I sometimes think moralizing thoughts when I walked through the

00:49:32 --> 00:49:33

mosque a carpark.

00:49:35 --> 00:49:39

And I've said there is there are resources in our community. And I

00:49:39 --> 00:49:45

think that the best thing that we can do is to train the servants so

00:49:45 --> 00:49:45

that they can

00:49:46 --> 00:49:50

in the way of the traditional Shetty, eScholar find the beauty

00:49:50 --> 00:49:55

of the texts, the love of the love of it's a very intoxicating and

00:49:55 --> 00:49:58

beautiful thing. So to give them that pleasure, but also to give

00:49:58 --> 00:49:59

them the possibility of

00:50:00 --> 00:50:04

Helping people sorting them out in prisons and wherever they might be

00:50:04 --> 00:50:07

women who are going into labor people with issues with

00:50:07 --> 00:50:13

relationships. Yeah, there's a lot of work to do, to call faces a big

00:50:13 --> 00:50:18

cold face, but that family law, so it's been an optimistic experience

00:50:18 --> 00:50:21

for me. When I started, I had no idea whether it could work. The

00:50:21 --> 00:50:26

texts still work. Young people are still amazing, which gives me a

00:50:26 --> 00:50:30

lot of hope for the future in sha Allah, whatever may or may not be

00:50:30 --> 00:50:35

the future of CMC. I think that in 50 years time, this community will

00:50:35 --> 00:50:40

really be shining and an exemplary community, visibly as well as

00:50:40 --> 00:50:43

invisibly hide all mud in Oak Ridge ugliness

00:50:44 --> 00:50:45

and your hotpot over

00:50:46 --> 00:50:51

but you I hope you get the sense that I am inspired by others

00:50:51 --> 00:50:56

generosity and keeping us going despite certain arguments with the

00:50:56 --> 00:51:00

accountant and the auditor. Sometimes we keep going, yep, it's

00:51:00 --> 00:51:05

a bit hand to mouth. And they're young people who realize when they

00:51:05 --> 00:51:08

get into the text, the beauty of this tradition, and the honor of

00:51:08 --> 00:51:12

being able to serve in this tradition, there's nothing nobler

00:51:13 --> 00:51:17

have the little island carriers of sacred knowledge. What is better

00:51:17 --> 00:51:22

than that? Standing in the footsteps of the Holy Prophet

00:51:22 --> 00:51:24

sallallahu alayhi wa sallam standing on his minbar

00:51:25 --> 00:51:29

what I thought will NBM the inheritors of the prophets. So

00:51:29 --> 00:51:32

hamdulillah said, at the very least in sha Allah, we asked you

00:51:32 --> 00:51:37

to make a dua for us and for the students, for us to get the best

00:51:37 --> 00:51:40

students in future and in sha Allah for us to continue this,

00:51:40 --> 00:51:43

this work of witnessing, showing the world what this tradition is

00:51:43 --> 00:51:46

still capable of Inshallah, thank you for your patience and Mr. Lego

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